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Post by landscaper on Mar 14, 2020 9:57:31 GMT -6
It literally feels like we live Seattle, except for 2-3 weeks it has rained a lot every week since October . Next week looks terrible as well
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Post by Snowman99 on Mar 14, 2020 10:06:53 GMT -6
Yeah, it's been pretty miserable. I was able to walk in the yard for a few days last week. That's over for who knows how long lol.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Mar 14, 2020 10:20:31 GMT -6
Pouring snowballs South East of Indianapolis on our drive home roads are very slick accidents here in there
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Post by Snowman99 on Mar 14, 2020 10:26:38 GMT -6
Must be nice ..lol. Not driving but you know what I mean. Stay safe Chris.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Mar 14, 2020 10:48:40 GMT -6
Yeah, I saw a lot of "grassy surfaces only" forecasts out there, including the NWS...that went up in smoke with moderate/ heavy snow falling during the early morning hours covering roadways.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Mar 14, 2020 11:04:23 GMT -6
Stopped for quick bit by KIND exit... maybe 1/2 to 1 inch of slush... roads have improved to just wet. there was some heavy sleet early that iced things up. once it went to all snow... things actually started to improve.
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Post by landscaper on Mar 14, 2020 11:12:46 GMT -6
I saw some reports of 3-4” with heavy snow still falling in Indiana. Roads were covered very well
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Post by mosue56 on Mar 14, 2020 11:32:57 GMT -6
Be safe, Chris!
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Post by amstilost on Mar 14, 2020 12:42:30 GMT -6
Tilawn or anyone in the business. We just planted 2 apple, 2 pear and 2 peach, and 1 cherry tree. What is the best method to protect them since the temps are forecast to get to 32 by the morning?  The trees came in the mail so they are maybe 48" total height including roots. Now maybe 40-42" tall. Edit: My wife put plastic trash bags over them last night as a deer deterrent. We put 4 posts around each tree yesterday but ran out of time and 'oomph' to finish wrapping with hardware cloth. Haven't been able to get out there today. |
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Post by maddogchief on Mar 14, 2020 12:47:23 GMT -6
4” measured at BMI. I’m really sick of these “cold enough”, “look pretty” storms.
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Mar 14, 2020 15:12:55 GMT -6
Tilawn or anyone in the business. We just planted 2 apple, 2 pear and 2 peach, and 1 cherry tree. What is the best method to protect them since the temps are forecast to get to 32 by the morning? The trees came in the mail so they are maybe 48" total height including roots. Now maybe 40-42" tall. Edit: My wife put plastic trash bags over them last night as a deer deterrent. We put 4 posts around each tree yesterday but ran out of time and 'oomph' to finish wrapping with hardware cloth. Haven't been able to get out there today. If it is gonna frost then put an old sheet over them. If no frost then they will be fine. I’m assuming that they are already leafed out? Ours has some leaves already but they are 4 years old now so I’m not worried. |
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Mar 14, 2020 15:59:47 GMT -6
Tilawn or anyone in the business. We just planted 2 apple, 2 pear and 2 peach, and 1 cherry tree. What is the best method to protect them since the temps are forecast to get to 32 by the morning? The trees came in the mail so they are maybe 48" total height including roots. Now maybe 40-42" tall. Edit: My wife put plastic trash bags over them last night as a deer deterrent. We put 4 posts around each tree yesterday but ran out of time and 'oomph' to finish wrapping with hardware cloth. Haven't been able to get out there today. They'll be fine...watch next weekend though...could be a freeze. |
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Post by amstilost on Mar 14, 2020 16:00:18 GMT -6
Tilawn or anyone in the business. We just planted 2 apple, 2 pear and 2 peach, and 1 cherry tree. What is the best method to protect them since the temps are forecast to get to 32 by the morning? The trees came in the mail so they are maybe 48" total height including roots. Now maybe 40-42" tall. Edit: My wife put plastic trash bags over them last night as a deer deterrent. We put 4 posts around each tree yesterday but ran out of time and 'oomph' to finish wrapping with hardware cloth. Haven't been able to get out there today. If it is gonna frost then put an old sheet over them. If no frost then they will be fine. I’m assuming that they are already leafed out? Ours has some leaves already but they are 4 years old now so I’m not worried. No leaf/leaves at all. Just some small buds starting. Brand new from the nursery (by mail) 2 days ago. A sheet is better than the plastic trash bags that are on there now?? |
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Post by amstilost on Mar 14, 2020 16:07:45 GMT -6
Thank you Demerson and Brtn.
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Post by amstilost on Mar 14, 2020 16:11:44 GMT -6
I have seen that some our Indices (MJO,EPO,WPO) are trending toward their winter mode, coupled with a StratWarm event. Go figure.
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Post by maddogchief on Mar 14, 2020 18:53:59 GMT -6
I have seen that some our Indices (MJO,EPO,WPO) are trending toward their winter mode, coupled with a StratWarm event. Go figure. Yup. I hate this winter. |
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Post by ndolan387 on Mar 15, 2020 9:09:40 GMT -6
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csafozzie
Wishcaster
Wildwood, MO. Jefferson, Franklin and St Louis County borders
Posts: 139
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Post by csafozzie on Mar 15, 2020 9:41:39 GMT -6
I know this is not weather related and delete if not appropriate. But with the current discussion all about the new Coronavirus I thought I would get some info and share it. I think this may help put this current flu epidemic into some sort of context we can all understand. I researched this and made sure the facts were correct, but if you find any mistakes in it please let me know. So with all the furor over the current Covid-19 virus and the accusation of panic, over reaction and fear mongering I was curious why this pandemic is warranting so much coverage from the press and respective governments. And since I have yet to see why we should be fearful over this strain of flu over previous outbreaks I decided to do some research. It was kind of eye opening and it makes sense now why we should be more concerned with this strain of flu than previous outbreak. Here are some basic numbers and time lines for previous flu epidemics. SARS (2002) A similar flu as the current COVID-19, as it was a new strain of coronavirus. Its symptoms were severe so easily recognizable to the medical community. This helped contain its spread as the infected were easy to identify and quarantine. As a result its spread was limited. This plus the fact that it had difficulty surviving in a human host it died off rather quickly. Never reached pandemic levels. Infected (Worldwide) 8,098 (United States) 8 Deaths (Worldwide) 774 (United States) 0 Mortality Rate 15% Swine Flu (H1N1) (2009) This new type of flu popped in Mexico in January 2009 and quickly spread to the United States by April of that year. While it slowed during the summer months it regained strength by that fall. While no vaccine was available at the outbreak, antiviral medication did help with the recovery. By the fall a vaccine was being produced and this, along with natural immunities, caused the strain to decline in numbers. This flu was unique in the fact that it affected children and young adults more than older adults. As a result schools were closed during the outbreak when a case was discovered among the schools population to reduce the spread. At its height in the Spring of 2009 980 schools were dismissed, affecting 607,778 students. Infected (Worldwide) 24% of the population (United States) 60.8 Million Deaths (Worldwide) 284,000+ (United States) 12,469 Mortality Rate .02% Spanish Flu (1918) It is difficult to compare this outbreak of flu with any modern occurrence due to so many different factors than the world we live in today. There was a global war going on, people lived in crowded, unsanitary conditions, even in industrial nations, Plus they did not even know what a virus was back then. As a result treatment was non existence and the diseases only ended when it ran its course and the human population was able to build up natural immunities. One of the places that was able to reduce its effect was St. Louis, where mandatory quarantine and limiting human interaction resulted in less death than many other cities in the United States. Still it was a devisting flu, which seem to target healthy adults between the ages of 20-40. Infected (Worldwide) 500 Million Deaths (Worldwide) 50 Million (United States) 675,000 Mortality Rate Less than 2% COVID-19 (Current) The first case was reported in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Since then it has spread across the globe, prompting the WHO to label it as a pandemic. Countries are imposing quarantines and restricting travel to reduce the spread of the disease with varying results. This strain of flu is an upper respiratory disease which affects the lungs and restrict breath in many of its victims. People with existing conditions such as heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and compromised immune systems seem to be most affected. Children seem to be less affected, with only 2.4% of those with the disease under the age of 9. The disease has very little symptoms at first so many may have it without showing any symptoms at first. It is spread through human contact and can be airborne for a short time from a sneeze or a cough. It is reported to be as contagious as the regular flu so precautionary measures such as sanitizing objects and avoid contact with infected individuals is recommended. There is no vaccine at this time and the only recourse is to treat the symptoms. While 80% of those infected only have mild symptoms and recover. It does have a much higher mortality rate than the average flu strain. Add to this that no vaccine is currently available for the disease it makes for a potentially deadly outbreak. COVID-19 (As of 3/15) Infected (Worldwide) 142,539 (United States) 1,678 Deaths (Worldwide) 5393 (United States) (41) Mortality Rate (Worldwide) 3.7% (United States) 2.4% While 2% does not seem like much, think about it this way, If a high school contains 600 students and 2% die, that means we lose 12 students in the high school. That is an astonishing number when you realize that 12 students dying in any year would be tragic. Now multiply that by all the high schools in this country and you see why these restrictions in travel and gathering are not as crazy as they seem. Most of this info was gathered from the CDC website with other sites used to verify this information. www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/www.cdc.gov/ |
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 15, 2020 11:16:23 GMT -6
Still looking like strong to severe storms may affect the central US by mid-week.
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 15, 2020 11:32:49 GMT -6
For us specifically there seems to be a consensus with the global models that a warm front and surface low will lift to our north putting us squarely in the warm moist sector with plenty of shear to work with. Too soon to say anything with certainty but it's possible that our risk may be mitigated by the usual culprits...timing, early convection/clouds, etc. On the other hand, maybe not. But seems that there isn't much of a EML in play with this system either casting further doubt on degree of instability though.
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twocat
Junior Forecaster
North St. Peters off Cave Springs
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Post by twocat on Mar 15, 2020 11:35:22 GMT -6
I know this is not weather related and delete if not appropriate. But with the current discussion all about the new Coronavirus I thought I would get some info and share it. I think this may help put this current flu epidemic into some sort of context we can all understand. I researched this and made sure the facts were correct, but if you find any mistakes in it please let me know. So with all the furor over the current Covid-19 virus and the accusation of panic, over reaction and fear mongering I was curious why this pandemic is warranting so much coverage from the press and respective governments. And since I have yet to see why we should be fearful over this strain of flu over previous outbreaks I decided to do some research. It was kind of eye opening and it makes sense now why we should be more concerned with this strain of flu than previous outbreak. Here are some basic numbers and time lines for previous flu epidemics. SARS (2002) A similar flu as the current COVID-19, as it was a new strain of coronavirus. Its symptoms were severe so easily recognizable to the medical community. This helped contain its spread as the infected were easy to identify and quarantine. As a result its spread was limited. This plus the fact that it had difficulty surviving in a human host it died off rather quickly. Never reached pandemic levels. Infected (Worldwide) 8,098 (United States) 8 Deaths (Worldwide) 774 (United States) 0 Mortality Rate 15% Swine Flu (H1N1) (2009) This new type of flu popped in Mexico in January 2009 and quickly spread to the United States by April of that year. While it slowed during the summer months it regained strength by that fall. While no vaccine was available at the outbreak, antiviral medication did help with the recovery. By the fall a vaccine was being produced and this, along with natural immunities, caused the strain to decline in numbers. This flu was unique in the fact that it affected children and young adults more than older adults. As a result schools were closed during the outbreak when a case was discovered among the schools population to reduce the spread. At its height in the Spring of 2009 980 schools were dismissed, affecting 607,778 students. Infected (Worldwide) 24% of the population (United States) 60.8 Million Deaths (Worldwide) 284,000+ (United States) 12,469 Mortality Rate .02% Spanish Flu (1918) It is difficult to compare this outbreak of flu with any modern occurrence due to so many different factors than the world we live in today. There was a global war going on, people lived in crowded, unsanitary conditions, even in industrial nations, Plus they did not even know what a virus was back then. As a result treatment was non existence and the diseases only ended when it ran its course and the human population was able to build up natural immunities. One of the places that was able to reduce its effect was St. Louis, where mandatory quarantine and limiting human interaction resulted in less death than many other cities in the United States. Still it was a devisting flu, which seem to target healthy adults between the ages of 20-40. Infected (Worldwide) 500 Million Deaths (Worldwide) 50 Million (United States) 675,000 Mortality Rate Less than 2% COVID-19 (Current) The first case was reported in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Since then it has spread across the globe, prompting the WHO to label it as a pandemic. Countries are imposing quarantines and restricting travel to reduce the spread of the disease with varying results. This strain of flu is an upper respiratory disease which affects the lungs and restrict breath in many of its victims. People with existing conditions such as heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and compromised immune systems seem to be most affected. Children seem to be less affected, with only 2.4% of those with the disease under the age of 9. The disease has very little symptoms at first so many may have it without showing any symptoms at first. It is spread through human contact and can be airborne for a short time from a sneeze or a cough. It is reported to be as contagious as the regular flu so precautionary measures such as sanitizing objects and avoid contact with infected individuals is recommended. There is no vaccine at this time and the only recourse is to treat the symptoms. While 80% of those infected only have mild symptoms and recover. It does have a much higher mortality rate than the average flu strain. Add to this that no vaccine is currently available for the disease it makes for a potentially deadly outbreak. COVID-19 (As of 3/15) Infected (Worldwide) 142,539 (United States) 1,678 Deaths (Worldwide) 5393 (United States) (41) Mortality Rate (Worldwide) 3.7% (United States) 2.4% While 2% does not seem like much, think about it this way, If a high school contains 600 students and 2% die, that means we lose 12 students in the high school. That is an astonishing number when you realize that 12 students dying in any year would be tragic. Now multiply that by all the high schools in this country and you see why these restrictions in travel and gathering are not as crazy as they seem. Most of this info was gathered from the CDC website with other sites used to verify this information. www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/www.cdc.gov/SARS (and MERS) along with COVID 19 are not influenza. |
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csafozzie
Wishcaster
Wildwood, MO. Jefferson, Franklin and St Louis County borders
Posts: 139
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Post by csafozzie on Mar 15, 2020 13:12:39 GMT -6
I know this is not weather related and delete if not appropriate. But with the current discussion all about the new Coronavirus I thought I would get some info and share it. I think this may help put this current flu epidemic into some sort of context we can all understand. I researched this and made sure the facts were correct, but if you find any mistakes in it please let me know. So with all the furor over the current Covid-19 virus and the accusation of panic, over reaction and fear mongering I was curious why this pandemic is warranting so much coverage from the press and respective governments. And since I have yet to see why we should be fearful over this strain of flu over previous outbreaks I decided to do some research. It was kind of eye opening and it makes sense now why we should be more concerned with this strain of flu than previous outbreak. Here are some basic numbers and time lines for previous flu epidemics. SARS (2002) A similar flu as the current COVID-19, as it was a new strain of coronavirus. Its symptoms were severe so easily recognizable to the medical community. This helped contain its spread as the infected were easy to identify and quarantine. As a result its spread was limited. This plus the fact that it had difficulty surviving in a human host it died off rather quickly. Never reached pandemic levels. Infected (Worldwide) 8,098 (United States) 8 Deaths (Worldwide) 774 (United States) 0 Mortality Rate 15% Swine Flu (H1N1) (2009) This new type of flu popped in Mexico in January 2009 and quickly spread to the United States by April of that year. While it slowed during the summer months it regained strength by that fall. While no vaccine was available at the outbreak, antiviral medication did help with the recovery. By the fall a vaccine was being produced and this, along with natural immunities, caused the strain to decline in numbers. This flu was unique in the fact that it affected children and young adults more than older adults. As a result schools were closed during the outbreak when a case was discovered among the schools population to reduce the spread. At its height in the Spring of 2009 980 schools were dismissed, affecting 607,778 students. Infected (Worldwide) 24% of the population (United States) 60.8 Million Deaths (Worldwide) 284,000+ (United States) 12,469 Mortality Rate .02% Spanish Flu (1918) It is difficult to compare this outbreak of flu with any modern occurrence due to so many different factors than the world we live in today. There was a global war going on, people lived in crowded, unsanitary conditions, even in industrial nations, Plus they did not even know what a virus was back then. As a result treatment was non existence and the diseases only ended when it ran its course and the human population was able to build up natural immunities. One of the places that was able to reduce its effect was St. Louis, where mandatory quarantine and limiting human interaction resulted in less death than many other cities in the United States. Still it was a devisting flu, which seem to target healthy adults between the ages of 20-40. Infected (Worldwide) 500 Million Deaths (Worldwide) 50 Million (United States) 675,000 Mortality Rate Less than 2% COVID-19 (Current) The first case was reported in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Since then it has spread across the globe, prompting the WHO to label it as a pandemic. Countries are imposing quarantines and restricting travel to reduce the spread of the disease with varying results. This strain of flu is an upper respiratory disease which affects the lungs and restrict breath in many of its victims. People with existing conditions such as heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and compromised immune systems seem to be most affected. Children seem to be less affected, with only 2.4% of those with the disease under the age of 9. The disease has very little symptoms at first so many may have it without showing any symptoms at first. It is spread through human contact and can be airborne for a short time from a sneeze or a cough. It is reported to be as contagious as the regular flu so precautionary measures such as sanitizing objects and avoid contact with infected individuals is recommended. There is no vaccine at this time and the only recourse is to treat the symptoms. While 80% of those infected only have mild symptoms and recover. It does have a much higher mortality rate than the average flu strain. Add to this that no vaccine is currently available for the disease it makes for a potentially deadly outbreak. COVID-19 (As of 3/15) Infected (Worldwide) 142,539 (United States) 1,678 Deaths (Worldwide) 5393 (United States) (41) Mortality Rate (Worldwide) 3.7% (United States) 2.4% While 2% does not seem like much, think about it this way, If a high school contains 600 students and 2% die, that means we lose 12 students in the high school. That is an astonishing number when you realize that 12 students dying in any year would be tragic. Now multiply that by all the high schools in this country and you see why these restrictions in travel and gathering are not as crazy as they seem. Most of this info was gathered from the CDC website with other sites used to verify this information. www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/www.cdc.gov/SARS (and MERS) along with COVID 19 are not influenza. I stand corrected. It is a virus but not part of the influenza family. |
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Post by Snowman99 on Mar 15, 2020 13:23:39 GMT -6
This...It's not media hype people..:
Maggie Menderski
Yesterday at 10:20 AM
After hearing comments about “the media” from my family and folks I typically respect — I would like to offer you a glimpse of what happened in my newsroom this week.
There is no “the media.” Comparing legacy publications with blogs and social media posts is like trying to compare people who run bike shops with people who run airlines. You can’t do it.
It’s the difference between a guy with a wrench and TSA.
In my newsroom this week:
At no point did we get together and decide to write a story telling people to panic buy hand sanitizer and toilet paper, we noticed it was going from the shelves and we told you that was happening.
At no point did we sit around and decide to cancel your church services, we heard, listened and reported that our governor asked for that.
At no point did we decide to cancel March Madness, the St. Patrick’s Day Parade and slew of other events that typically bring people together. I promise. We don’t have that power.
Yes, we did get reactions about how real people are feeling. Because yes, that is part of the story. I’ve got a lot of feelings about this, and I’m sure you do, too.
But to people who say “I listen to scientists, I don’t listen to ‘the media’” and “‘The media’ caused this” I encourage you to look at who your media is citing.
My newspaper, The New York Times, The Washington Post and so many other legacy organizations are being lumped in with fear-mongering blogs and social media posts. Journalists have checks and balances. Journalists are citing doctors and public health officials, and we are not making this up.
We did not invent this.
I am proud of my newsroom this week. I am honored to work with my amazing colleagues, and I am proud to call myself a journalist. We are journalists, not “the media.”
I’m thankful for healthcare workers and transportation workers in the thick of this.
My heart breaks for the service industry, small businesses and and everyone else who’s not sure where their next paycheck is coming from because of this.
Journalists didn’t do this, but we are making sure you have all the information you need to get through this.
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Post by Snowman99 on Mar 15, 2020 13:25:48 GMT -6
As for weather..it's chilly. Next weekend may freeze. Wet in between now and then.
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twocat
Junior Forecaster
North St. Peters off Cave Springs
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Post by twocat on Mar 15, 2020 17:42:19 GMT -6
It has begun with local school closings.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Mar 15, 2020 17:51:51 GMT -6
all school districts in st. chas county will be closed through April 3.
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Mar 15, 2020 18:06:02 GMT -6
All Jefferson county mo school districts ordered to have doors closed by 5pm Tuesday evening and remain closed until April 6th.
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Post by ElburnDave on Mar 15, 2020 19:09:08 GMT -6
CDC is recommending no gatherings greater than 50 people for at least the next 8 weeks. Does not bode well for the remainder of the school year.
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 15, 2020 19:16:02 GMT -6
Not sure if working families can hold out for 8 weeks...
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Post by STGOutdoors on Mar 15, 2020 19:16:51 GMT -6
Alright this is getting nuts. I think better safe than sorry is the right approach though.
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The trees came in the mail so they are maybe 48" total height including roots. Now maybe 40-42" tall.
