gonefishin - WashMO
Junior Forecaster
Washington, Franklin County, MO
Posts: 491 
Snowfall Events: 2013-2014: A lot!
2014-2015: If you forecast it, it will come!
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Post by gonefishin - WashMO on Dec 29, 2020 20:25:41 GMT -6
We need a storm if for anything to start a new stream. This one is starting to smell stale.
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Post by unclesam6 on Dec 29, 2020 20:32:44 GMT -6
I believe I read somewhere they basically used the same technology from 2005 or something for the radar. Lack of funding may be an issue.. Kinda makes you wonder why they even bothered The old one ran on flash. It's being built out now. |
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 29, 2020 20:48:11 GMT -6
Definitely some front end icing potential on the NAM with a strong NE wind at the surface as the precipitation arrives. Eventually toasty mid level temps and high precipitation rates will kill any accretion but surface temps never really climb above 33* until the precipitation is over
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Post by landscaper on Dec 29, 2020 21:20:43 GMT -6
Icon has about 6-8 hours icing with temperatures in the low 30’s more just north west of the metro
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Post by landscaper on Dec 29, 2020 21:28:29 GMT -6
RGEM is still cold 6-8 hours of icing evening and overnight
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Dec 29, 2020 21:30:23 GMT -6
RGEM does seem intent on an ice storm, but QPF rates are intense so actual icing won't be that effective. Interesting never the less.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Dec 29, 2020 21:34:40 GMT -6
I don't know what is more disappointing. Models flip flopping or the distance between nothing and some Winter weather. Sigh...  |
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Post by tedrick65 on Dec 29, 2020 22:31:53 GMT -6
I'll hop on the bandwagon about how badly the new NWS radar sucks. The Adobe Flash deprecation has been formally in the works since mid-2017. You'd think they'd be able to do a little better than this with that much time. The zooming and animation are basically unusable right now.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Dec 29, 2020 22:41:44 GMT -6
Are we talking about the National Mosiac version they changed? I hate the new version. It's not user friendly.
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Post by tedrick65 on Dec 29, 2020 22:46:08 GMT -6
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 29, 2020 23:47:46 GMT -6
GFS says, I hope you all like rain the next 2 weeks...lots of rain.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Dec 29, 2020 23:57:34 GMT -6
GFS says, I hope you all like rain the next 2 weeks...lots of rain. 💩 |
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 30, 2020 0:16:39 GMT -6
This is the last several runs of the Euro all valid at 18z Friday. Pretty clear trend to a slower, weaker, and flatter system.  |
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 30, 2020 0:24:55 GMT -6
and we still won't get squat
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 30, 2020 0:25:16 GMT -6
Euro has some respectable icing for the western counties that run. The FRAM output has .25-.40in for those areas
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 30, 2020 0:26:07 GMT -6
and we still won't get squat only thing it might do is increase the icing potential |
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 30, 2020 0:33:58 GMT -6
and the rain has begun
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Dec 30, 2020 1:31:13 GMT -6
yeah, I had to look at the model output twice to be sure I wasn't just looking at this week's storm twice - very similar setup in the time period that the CPC had highlighted for a precip hazard end of first week in January. Euro is a bit flatter, but Chris' MX rule applies then too, it would seem.
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Post by dschreib on Dec 30, 2020 6:13:59 GMT -6
This is gross. I don’t really expect to see snow in early December, and I know our snowiest months are coming up; but waking up to pouring rain at the end of December starts to p*** me off.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Dec 30, 2020 6:21:14 GMT -6
I have mixed feelings about the potential for icy weather tomorrow evening. I don't want to downplay potential for freezing rain on a super busy travel night... but.... I'm not sure we have much of an impact other than wet roads.
The NWS did a great job outlining the different concerns.
Obviously, temperatures are marginal to start with...
Then there is the magnitude of the warm air aloft. It is REALLLLY warm just off the surface...and through a rather deep layer.
It is quite possible we get just rain with temperatures below freezing because the drop temperatures will be several degrees above freezing.
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 30, 2020 6:28:50 GMT -6
Leave it to this friggin place to have plain rain with temps below freezing. I give up
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Post by amstilost on Dec 30, 2020 7:01:32 GMT -6
While our weather continues to be a bit lack-luster (understatement), we can still live vicariously through other places localized 'weather' extremes....coming to a theatre near you.....wait, maybe not for a while. Short Clip |
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Post by Tilawn on Dec 30, 2020 7:08:01 GMT -6
With such a warm layer aloft wouldnt the rain drops be pretty warm when they reach the ground? If that’s the case then I would think accretion would be a struggle especially with surface temps in the 30-32° range.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Dec 30, 2020 7:25:34 GMT -6
With such a warm layer aloft wouldnt the rain drops be pretty warm when they reach the ground? If that’s the case then I would think accretion would be a struggle especially with surface temps in the 30-32° range. Yes... see my post above  |
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Post by dschreib on Dec 30, 2020 7:43:39 GMT -6
Leave it to this friggin place to have plain rain with temps below freezing. I give up We tend to lower the bar to new levels at an alarming rate. |
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Dec 30, 2020 7:52:31 GMT -6
Dave Murray has a Map on his Facebook page this morning of the snow that has fallen so far this year ...... the gap around St.Louis is painful to look at
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Post by Tilawn on Dec 30, 2020 8:08:55 GMT -6
With such a warm layer aloft wouldnt the rain drops be pretty warm when they reach the ground? If that’s the case then I would think accretion would be a struggle especially with surface temps in the 30-32° range. Yes... see my post above Thank you.....I seen that after I posted my comment. Thanks again we appreciate you providing us nerds this place to express our love of the weather in general. |
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Post by dschreib on Dec 30, 2020 8:11:34 GMT -6
Dave Murray has a Map on his Facebook page this morning of the snow that has fallen so far this year ...... the gap around St.Louis is painful to look at No complaining. We've been the "big winners" so far this winter. |
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Post by landscaper on Dec 30, 2020 8:56:54 GMT -6
Temp down to 36 in wentzville, the snow line is getting closer , maybe a couple hours of light before it shuts down
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Dec 30, 2020 9:03:09 GMT -6
Dave Murray has a Map on his Facebook page this morning of the snow that has fallen so far this year ...... the gap around St.Louis is painful to look at No complaining. We've been the "big winners" so far this winter. I actually felt a little guilty for our massive one inch storm lol |
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