mccarthb
Junior Forecaster
O'Fallon, MO - Outer Road near border of Dardenne Prarie
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Post by mccarthb on Jan 5, 2022 16:11:58 GMT -6
MoDot has elected not to treat roads... lookout! You gotta love it when they decide to save a little in the budget vs providing safety for travelers in the event something does pan out in the metro. This makes me shake my head. But it certainly wouldn’t be the first time MODOT neglected to take a chance and then realize their mistake too late in the game. 🤦‍♂️ |
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Post by Tilawn on Jan 5, 2022 16:13:26 GMT -6
MoDot has elected not to treat roads... lookout! In all honesty if they was to put roc salt down prior to precip it most likely just fly to the side of the road with the passing cars/trucks. Not saying it’s the right move though |
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mccarthb
Junior Forecaster
O'Fallon, MO - Outer Road near border of Dardenne Prarie
Posts: 443
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Post by mccarthb on Jan 5, 2022 16:17:12 GMT -6
MoDot has elected not to treat roads... lookout! In all honesty if they was to put roc salt down prior to precip it most likely just fly to the side of the road with the passing cars/trucks. Not saying it’s the right move though The roads are at freezing temps. All it takes is a short moderate burst to make travel a nightmare |
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Jan 5, 2022 16:24:11 GMT -6
They will be out once the roads get covered. Reactive not proactive.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 5, 2022 16:29:09 GMT -6
WWA to the north,south, east and west  |
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Post by landscaper on Jan 5, 2022 16:29:58 GMT -6
They could have been spraying liquid salt brine the last couple days . That would have worked well and it buys you some time once it starts snowing. None of the highways were pre sprayed with liquid salt brine before this storm. It’s really sad and poor planning by MoDot management.
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Post by landscaper on Jan 5, 2022 16:31:21 GMT -6
The one in Iowa is kind of stupid, they have had for like days For blowing snow from there weekend storm.
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campingfamily
Weather Weenie
Birdie Hills and Knaust Rd St. Peters, MO
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Post by campingfamily on Jan 5, 2022 16:47:41 GMT -6
The one in Iowa is kind of stupid, they have had for like days For blowing snow from there weekend storm. My parents live up there and said the highways are drifting closed with the wind gusts. |
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mccarthb
Junior Forecaster
O'Fallon, MO - Outer Road near border of Dardenne Prarie
Posts: 443
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Post by mccarthb on Jan 5, 2022 17:00:32 GMT -6
I’m not going to beat the dead MODOT horse but it seems like every time they decide not to treat, it turns out to be a situation that bites them in the butt. Chris did his part by playing the better safe than sorry forecast and putting it out there. He did it for the safety of others. And because the NWS didn’t put out an advisory for STL, MODOT takes the chance. I believe the NWS is also wrong for not putting an advisory out for the metro. It’s better for them to play it safe as well because they are so heavily relied upon.
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giarC71
Wishcaster
Posts: 220
Snowfall Events: Blizzard of'82 I became addicted to weather
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Post by giarC71 on Jan 5, 2022 17:18:22 GMT -6
There are advisories for Fog.. but nothing during rush hour makes no sense.
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 5, 2022 17:19:08 GMT -6
Rap trending South.
HRRR much further North. Like what??
Gfs gem rgem essentially nothing
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 5, 2022 17:34:55 GMT -6
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 5, 2022 17:48:55 GMT -6
Migrating waterfowl, I'd say.
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 5, 2022 17:54:06 GMT -6
Migrating waterfowl, I'd say. Looks like they want to see snow so they are going to Kentucky Lol |
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Jan 5, 2022 17:59:58 GMT -6
Rap trending South. HRRR much further North. Like what?? Gfs gem rgem essentially nothing HRRR is north but it breaks the energy off into 2 parts …. Really weird |
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mccarthb
Junior Forecaster
O'Fallon, MO - Outer Road near border of Dardenne Prarie
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Post by mccarthb on Jan 5, 2022 18:00:03 GMT -6
Rap trending South. HRRR much further North. Like what?? Gfs gem rgem essentially nothing I trust the HRRR over anything else at this point in the game |
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jan 5, 2022 18:24:58 GMT -6
Most recent hrrr looking better.
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 5, 2022 18:27:16 GMT -6
Honestly im starting to feel most will get at least a dusting and that is because I feel at least at the surface the air is not as dry as models think. I mean it is 21 at my house with dp of 9 for 56 percent humidity, lambert is 24 with do of 8 with 50 percent, the dew point depression of 10 to 15 is not as bad as what I remember models showing thus morning with temps of 23 and dp aof 0 to 3 or a 20 to 25 dp depression.
Just my thoughts is all this is in my opinion. Please someone tell me I am either wrong or maybe on to something.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jan 5, 2022 18:43:12 GMT -6
Light snow obs in KC. Nothing east of there as of yet.
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 5, 2022 19:05:15 GMT -6
HRRR and rap trending South.
This is really bad.
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 5, 2022 19:07:36 GMT -6
Oh yeah hrrr huge shift South.
I am getting bitter
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 5, 2022 19:15:38 GMT -6
Time for bed.
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 5, 2022 20:03:54 GMT -6
Best chance to saturate before midnight is just South of 70.  |
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 5, 2022 20:15:49 GMT -6
Ya were really going to need to watch early Saturday morning for freezing drizzle/rain This is a pretty crazy freezing drizzle sounding off the 18z NAM for Saturday morning That’s a ridiculous low level inversion with some almost 50° air being pumped over mid 20s air at the surface  |
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Post by mchafin on Jan 5, 2022 20:15:59 GMT -6
Which setting should be used to track the snow on RadarScope?
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 5, 2022 20:19:53 GMT -6
Which setting should be used to track the snow on RadarScope? The base reflectivity what I posted was the composite. On that composite some of that might be cloud level ice nuclie. some guidance shows that precipitation that developed over us now breaking through along and just south of 70. |
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 5, 2022 20:22:18 GMT -6
FINAL CALL:.
BRIEF LIGHT SNOW ALONG CHESTERFIELD TO BELLEVILLE. DUSTING AT BEST.
1-3" SOUTHERN THIRD
NOTHING FOR ST CHARLES AND MADISON COUNTY ON NORTH
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 5, 2022 20:23:33 GMT -6
Celing is lowering rapidly and can seenthe white in the city lights in st.peters
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 5, 2022 20:24:58 GMT -6
Flurris passing by the lights as well now  |
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jan 5, 2022 20:27:59 GMT -6
What exactly do you mean by flurries passing by the lights? As in, you observe flurries? That could be an important bit of information if that’s the case.
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