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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jan 31, 2022 15:00:32 GMT -6
Saint Clair County, IL could be looking at a 'triple' warning for freezing rain, sleet, and snow. Meaning we could hit warning criteria for all 3, with over a quarter inch of ice glaze, at least a half inch of sleet, but likely closer to 2" or so, and 6-10" of snow depending how quick we change over and if Friday comes into fruition. That's gotta be almost a once in a life time event especially for St. Louis area standards.
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Post by unclesam6 on Jan 31, 2022 15:01:08 GMT -6
Some watches being converted to warnings across northern Indiana Wonder if LSX will pull the trigger with the afternoon package today? not much else to look for in terms of impacts. everyone's getting hit with a lot of something.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jan 31, 2022 15:01:56 GMT -6
I'm excited. Wood is close to the back door. Birds are fed. Snow blower and shovels are handy. Gas for generator. Electric portable power stations are charged. Plenty of food. Now........please don't disappoint. My snowblower didnt wanna start. I was able to get a new carburetor today and will fix it tomorrow. I learned my lesson... Shovels are handy, salt is ready and birds here are fed.
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 31, 2022 15:02:20 GMT -6
The 15Z SREF mean is 6.7"
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jan 31, 2022 15:03:22 GMT -6
The 15Z SREF mean is 6.7" The amount of spread even at this distance is crazy. From nothing to near 2 feet!
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Jan 31, 2022 15:15:55 GMT -6
Talking down to people from somewhere you're not from is basically on the same level as racism. I take that seriously...maybe you should too. I told you it was a bad joke. There was no talking down to anyone. I made a joke using historically PROTOTYPICAL language in an attempt to riff on rural stereotypes to invoke sarcastic humor Clearly that didn't hit. If I said "you might be a redneck if". Maybe "hick" and "redneck" are not as synonymous as I thought. Professional comedy acts tour this country using t the exact same rhetoric I did. So if what I said came off as funny instead of crass... Then what? I grew up in Rosedale & Nutwood. I lived on Coon Creek Road right outside of Rosedale from near birth until July/August 1993 when our home was completely destroyed. It actually became submerged all the way to the middle of the attic on the second floor. Unfortunately we lived on the wrong side of the great river road. Nothing was the same after that flood. Even tho I spent a lot of time up there on the river to this day. Our full of time residence shifted to Fairview Heights, IL. And a couple years later in 1996 I moved to a farmhouse on Turnerhall Road right outside Smithton, Illinois until 2003. So I might not be from Perryville Mo. But I doubt where I grew up is much different. I said it was a tasteless joke and I apologized. I don't recall anyone actually being a TEXTBOOK HICK or BACKWARDS. I loved growing up in the sticks. Well except no weather channel or ESPN. Or very many girls for that matter. Im not going to drag this out any further. But I would appreciate it if you would stop making assumptions about me.
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Post by dadof6 on Jan 31, 2022 15:18:12 GMT -6
Is this still off shore?
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Post by Spaz(Wrestlerdude) on Jan 31, 2022 15:20:13 GMT -6
I'm excited. Wood is close to the back door. Birds are fed. Snow blower and shovels are handy. Gas for generator. Electric portable power stations are charged. Plenty of food. Now........please don't disappoint. I have a double rack order of wood coming tomorrow morning. ill be ready
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Post by mchafin on Jan 31, 2022 15:25:37 GMT -6
Ok. I PROMISE to bookmark it this time. Someone posted an exceptionally helpful site that allowed one to track in real time the 540 line. What is that link? Please. And I’m sorry.
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 31, 2022 15:29:43 GMT -6
Yes and no. Yes in that a lot of the northern stream flow and cold air is already over land. No in that the southern tip of the trough that will play a role in forming the low level low and final wave won't be sampled by an upper air station in Baja California until as late as 0Z on Thursday.
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Post by toddatfarmington on Jan 31, 2022 15:29:55 GMT -6
Just sit in on the NWS Conf Call, nothing earth shattering to report other than steady as she goes, and the forecast totals WILL change will plenty of time to still sort out the details.
Snow/Sleet in the metro is 5-10, they showed a best case scenario of around 4", and worst case scenario around 10". Further north in the band from Sedalia to Pittsfield 11-17", with a best case around 9" and a worst case around 19".
KFAM area, 2-5", with a best case around 1" and a worst case around 6"
I assume the graphics including timing and totals would be up shortly if not already.
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Post by joshofstl on Jan 31, 2022 15:32:43 GMT -6
What a beautiful afternoon. Sunny and clear with 50s weather. If I didn't know any better I'd say we were in for a beautiful week. (Well, we *are* in for a beautiful week, just not that kind of beautiful.)
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Post by Chris Higgins on Jan 31, 2022 15:34:10 GMT -6
Going off the NAM... there are some pretty ugly lapse rates Wednesday morning int the 500-600 layer.... from 6.3 to 8.1c That's where the CAPE is noted...so there is a good chance at thunderstorms feeding into the thermal boundary and convectively enhanced precip.
Those lapse rates drop lower in the atmosphere during afternoon and range from 6.2 to 8.6c.
Thursday's lapse rates are not impressive. Nor is the CAPE. Thursday looks to be a lot of large scale UVM associated with the right entrance region.
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Post by dschreib on Jan 31, 2022 15:36:45 GMT -6
Ok. I PROMISE to bookmark it this time. Someone posted an exceptionally helpful site that allowed one to track in real time the 540 line. What is that link? Please. And I’m sorry.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Jan 31, 2022 15:36:59 GMT -6
National Weather Service Saint Louis MO 313 PM CST Mon Jan 31 2022
.SHORT TERM... (Through Late Thursday Afternoon) Issued at 307 PM CST Mon Jan 31 2022
...A Major Winter Storm is expected late Tuesday into Thursday...
Attention was given almost exclusively to the mid-week winter storm. The forecast remains on track for the major winter storm that will impact the forecast area starting Tuesday night and continuing through Thursday.
Key Messages:
1. Event Occurrence: Confidence remains high that a significant winter storm moving through the forecast area beginning Tuesday night and lasting into Thursday.
2. Impacts: Significant accumulations greater than 6" of wet, heavy snow is expected across a large portion of the forecast area, falling mainly between Wednesday and Thursday. A corridor of greater than 12" of snow and significantly less wintry mix is possible along and north of the I-70 corridor where forcing will be greatest. Ice accretion in excess of 0.10" is expected across southeastern Missouri and southern Illinois, and combined with breezy conditions during and after the event could result in power outages.
3. P-Type: Uncertainty remains in the exact transition of rain to wintry mix to snow and the timing of these transitions. There is a chance that some areas around the I-44 corridor and associated areas eastward could see significantly more sleet than snow.
4. Longevity/Timing: The system is still expected to exit the region during the day Thursday, though light snow could linger in its wake, particularly east of the Mississippi River.
5. What`s Changed: Guidance has come into better agreement on the track and movement of the low, and is consistently placing the corridor of heaviest snowfall along and north of the I-70 corridor.
6. Remaining Uncertainty: As in previous forecasts, the depth and speed of the cold air aloft into the region remains uncertain and will have significant impacts on how much ice, sleet, and snow accumulations over much of the forecast area.
Forecast details:
The northern stream axis of a split stream trough will move across the US-Canada border during the day Tuesday with a surface low sliding from the Great Lakes region into New England. The low will drag a robust cold front southward into the forecast area Tuesday afternoon. Rain will bloom ahead of and along the front, aided by warm air advection along southerly flow, as it moves through the moist and seasonally warm air across the region. Temperatures will be seasonally warm ahead of the front thanks to the increased warm air advection.
By Tuesday night the entire split stream trough will be moving through the western half of the CONUS, keeping the region within southwesterly flow aloft and positioning the area between the upper- level jet couplet. At the surface the cold front will be stalled just south of our forecast area. We will have no shortage of lift for precipitation with mid-level disturbances traveling northeast across the region, interaction with the ULJ dynamics, and isentropic lift and warm air advection overrunning the front. Overnight Tuesday into Wednesday cold air will continue surging into the region behind the cold front and beginning to erode the elevated warm nose. Confidence is high this transition will occur quickly Tuesday evening across northeast Missouri and portions of far west-central Illinois closest to the Iowa-Missouri border. Confidence decreases across areas further south where guidance sources continue to diverge in how rapidly the profile will cool. As it stands a period of wintry mix, including sleet and freezing rain, is expected overnight across central and east-central Missouri and portions of west-central Illinois before transitioning to mostly snow.
Precipitation will fall across the bi-state region through the day Wednesday, though we could see a brief break in precipitation or at least lighter QPF Wednesday afternoon and evening at the entrance region of the ULJ moves northeast of the forecast area and isentropic lift decreases. Precipitation type during this period continues to be uncertain due to thermal profile so I can`t rule out sleet and freezing rain mixing into the snow along and south of I-70 during the morning Wednesday. Southeastern Missouri and southern Illinois will be last to cool and so last to make the transition from liquid rain to frozen precipitation Wednesday afternoon. The elevated baroclinic zone is then expected to stall through this region, and combined with chilly surface temperatures, is expected to produce ice accumulations over a 1/4" across the far southeastern CWA. These values could still change as guidance gets a handle on the thermal profile. There is a reasonable chance that if elevated temperatures do not cool enough in the transitional area along and around the I-70/I-44 corridor that much of the current forecast snow falls as sleet.
By Wednesday night the southern stream of the mid-level split stream moves into the region. A low will move northeast through the lower- Mississippi Valley during this period in concert with the approach of the mid-level trough. Forcing from the low will provide robust lift for precipitation across the forecast area, and given the classic Midwest heavy snowfall model, a narrow corridor of heavy snowfall is expected on Thursday. The current track of the low places the heaviest snowfall through areas along and north of I-70 in Missouri and Illinois. Precipitation is expected to be predominately snow from Wednesday night through the end of the storm given the more robust push of cold air into the region on the northwest side of the low. By Thursday afternoon the low will track east-northeastward out of the region in concert with the northeastward lifting trough, aided by a robust high moving into the area. Winds will be breezy overnight Wednesday into Thursday, and while blowing snow is no longer considered a threat, power outages associated with these winds and significant ice accretion on the powerlines is possible.
This a long duration winter event with heavy, wet snow forecast to fall across the area for 36-48 hours. Settling of the snowpack should be expected over the event, which will impact storm total snow amounts and could create a discrepancy between the current forecast and final totals.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Jan 31, 2022 15:37:43 GMT -6
Going off the NAM... there are some pretty ugly lapse rates Wednesday morning int the 500-600 layer.... from 6.3 to 8.1c That's where the CAPE is noted...so there is a good chance at thunderstorms feeding into the thermal boundary and convectively enhanced precip. Those lapse rates drop lower in the atmosphere during afternoon and range from 6.2 to 8.6c. Thursday's lapse rates are not impressive. Nor is the CAPE. Thursday looks to be a lot of large scale UVM associated with the right entrance region. Cool thanks Chris. Also will you been in the fox2now studio Wednesday night or in the storm runner?
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 31, 2022 15:41:22 GMT -6
18Z ICON looks pretty good. 2.5" QPF through the metro area with 8-12" of modeled positive snow depth change from southeast to northwest through the metro area. There really isn't anything that is inconsistent with the current forecast. It's yet another piece of evidence supporting a significant weather event for the metro and surrounding areas.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 31, 2022 15:48:55 GMT -6
...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY EVENING THROUGH THURSDAY EVENING...
* WHAT...Heavy mixed precipitation possible. Total snow accumulations between 6 and 16 inches, sleet accumulations around three quarters of an inch, and ice accumulations around three tenths of an inch possible.
* WHERE...Portions of south central, southwest, and west central Illinois. Portions of central, east central, northeast, and southeast Missouri.
* WHEN...From Tuesday evening through Thursday evening.
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 31, 2022 15:51:00 GMT -6
BTW...I'm okay with the Rams winning yesterday. At least this way the entire world will get the chance to watch them lose the biggest game of the year.
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Post by pbc12871 on Jan 31, 2022 15:53:17 GMT -6
NWS has me at 7-12". He** yeah!
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Post by landscaper on Jan 31, 2022 15:55:04 GMT -6
18z GFS is going to be a great run probably a touch colder metro goes over to snow between 8-11am
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Jan 31, 2022 15:56:23 GMT -6
925mb winds ramp to more than 40 mph.... we are going to be pushing blizzard criteria off an on in the snow Thursday morning. Even if it isn't a blizzard with falling snow with those wind speeds and all that fresh snow we have the makings of a ground blizzard - not something we see around here very often. We may even get some of that in the suburban/urban areas where there's some open ground. That's something I haven't seen since those winters of the late 70s
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 31, 2022 15:57:06 GMT -6
Ya GFS is coming in just a tick colder
Been a pretty consistent trend today
Like Jmg mentioned, wonder if some real world data of the cold air coming is influencing that
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 31, 2022 15:58:21 GMT -6
99, you better put the Depends on before you look at the 18Z GFS. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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Post by landscaper on Jan 31, 2022 15:58:54 GMT -6
It has the metro sitting 16”-20” on Kuchera, wow Edit - 24” area in the metro
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jan 31, 2022 15:59:10 GMT -6
18Z GFS brings back the infamous 24" (2' foot) lollipop to metro St. Louis.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 31, 2022 16:00:53 GMT -6
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Post by cardsnweather on Jan 31, 2022 16:06:15 GMT -6
Oh, lord.
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Post by TK on Jan 31, 2022 16:06:39 GMT -6
MODOT is really going to be challenged given this starts as rain - They will not be able to pre-treat and will already be behind once the ice / snow hits
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Post by cardsnweather on Jan 31, 2022 16:07:03 GMT -6
“Oh, Lord” is a combination of picturing 99 putting depends on and that Gfs run.
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