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Dec 4, 2015 8:02:01 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 4, 2015 8:02:01 GMT -6
This California incident is a perfect example of why attacking Isis directly is just almost an impossibility. They are looking for delusional people who think they are being persecuted. Lord knows there are more than a few of them around. They actually want us to do exactly what we are doing this in this country and that is over react to Muslims in general and make them not feel welcome. God knows the rhetoric here has gone off the table at times against Muslims. Could you imagine this country if the same type of stuff was being said by political leaders about Christians? I guarantee you of one thing. That someone would come out of the woodwork saying he's trying to save the nation with a gun.
Did ISIS order this? Who knows? Does it really matter? No, but the way we act does. We are losing the mind game here. I would bet Isis does a little bit victory dance every time Trump opens his mouth. That kind of vitriol will send an idiot over the edge.
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Dec 4, 2015 8:15:36 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 4, 2015 8:15:36 GMT -6
And folks, listen to the description of this man closely. Polite, reserved, couldn't find a wife here so he finds a "perfect" one over there. Sounds like a mass killer to me. Throw in the fact that you can have automatic weapons in this country and my goodness look what you get. You can't stop crazy, but you can stop the stupid rhetoric.
By the way, I still have not heard of one instance where anybody defended themselves with an automatic weapon. Why in the hell did we approve them for people to own in this country? I mean, come on folks the 2nd amendment? Okay, I want a grenade launcher. You draw a line there, why there? Technically that's pretty much like a gun to me.
Some guns have no place in a civilized society. Of course it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle when we've got thousands of these guns around now. Hold on to your hats folks, there's plenty of crazy people left.
I know, I know, technically it wasn't an automatic weapon but it was easily altered to be one. Those guns were all bought legally in California
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A mindset
Dec 4, 2015 10:19:24 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 4, 2015 10:19:24 GMT -6
Somebody said there's nothing to fear but fear itself. This country is so paranoid right now the that paranoia is breeding more paranoia. I wonder where the hell will end up.
I mean, you got people running around here ssying the Muslims are going to take over the country. Get serious folks, ain't never going to happen. Take your tin foil caps off. Yes we may take a few hits from these idiots, but if we don't act like idiots we'll get through it no problem.
Of course, some in this country never feel safe unless they are fighting a war. They never really consider the full cost.
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 8, 2015 20:59:15 GMT -6
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Dec 11, 2015 12:27:13 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 11, 2015 12:27:13 GMT -6
Some want to blame immigration others want to blame visas. It turns out this guy was already polluted almost 5 years ago. This was discovered during the investigation of this attack. The man who bought the guns was his neighbor then and they both planned an attack, but backed off when local FBI made a series of arrests in that area. This was reported to be in 2011 or 12. This guy was the veritable time bomb waiting to go off. Looks like he found the perfect partner. All of this information has been revealed by the interview the FBI is conducted with the man who bought the guns.
I swear it's a wonder we have not had more of these, but I guess the FBI has done a good job for the most part.
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Post by maddogchief on Dec 23, 2015 17:43:54 GMT -6
And folks, listen to the description of this man closely. Polite, reserved, couldn't find a wife here so he finds a "perfect" one over there. Sounds like a mass killer to me. Throw in the fact that you can have automatic weapons in this country and my goodness look what you get. You can't stop crazy, but you can stop the stupid rhetoric. By the way, I still have not heard of one instance where anybody defended themselves with an automatic weapon. Why in the hell did we approve them for people to own in this country? I mean, come on folks the 2nd amendment? Okay, I want a grenade launcher. You draw a line there, why there? Technically that's pretty much like a gun to me. Some guns have no place in a civilized society. Of course it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle when we've got thousands of these guns around now. Hold on to your hats folks, there's plenty of crazy people left. I know, I know, technically it wasn't an automatic weapon but it was easily altered to be one. Those guns were all bought legally in California "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Honestly that's about as vague as it gets. However, when you put it in context of the time it was written, it is pretty simple. Militias were made up of you and I. The "state" did not provide the guns, the individuals brought them with them to the battle. That meant individual ownership. The 2nd Amendment can be skewed by both sides, but the facts remain. The populace must be armed, not just for their own protection, but for the protection of the country, in the event a militia is called up. Different times than today, but I still believe "automatic" weapons are required by all citizens for all threats both foreign and domestic. |
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Post by lizard7151971 on Dec 23, 2015 19:58:39 GMT -6
And folks, listen to the description of this man closely. Polite, reserved, couldn't find a wife here so he finds a "perfect" one over there. Sounds like a mass killer to me. Throw in the fact that you can have automatic weapons in this country and my goodness look what you get. You can't stop crazy, but you can stop the stupid rhetoric. By the way, I still have not heard of one instance where anybody defended themselves with an automatic weapon. Why in the hell did we approve them for people to own in this country? I mean, come on folks the 2nd amendment? Okay, I want a grenade launcher. You draw a line there, why there? Technically that's pretty much like a gun to me. Some guns have no place in a civilized society. Of course it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle when we've got thousands of these guns around now. Hold on to your hats folks, there's plenty of crazy people left. I know, I know, technically it wasn't an automatic weapon but it was easily altered to be one. Those guns were all bought legally in California "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Honestly that's about as vague as it gets. However, when you put it in context of the time it was written, it is pretty simple. Militias were made up of you and I. The "state" did not provide the guns, the individuals brought them with them to the battle. That meant individual ownership. The 2nd Amendment can be skewed by both sides, but the facts remain. The populace must be armed, not just for their own protection, but for the protection of the country, in the event a militia is called up. Different times than today, but I still believe "automatic" weapons are required by all citizens for all threats both foreign and domestic. I don't like getting into convos like this. However, you bring up about "The Time it was written". At the time it was written, the best person, would take 19 seconds to load their weapon. I believe we do have the right to bear arms. However, some of them on the market should require a special licenses. Also look at the "Well Regulated Militia" statement. Which means SOMEONE needs to regulate who and what a person has. Think about it... When I was a kid, we had model rockets, and remote planes. Now with the advancements in time, we now have drones that have cameras, and can deliver packages (Who knows if they could carry small bombs). The F.C.C. has now said they need to regulate them, because they can invade privacy and also cause issues in the airspace. Yes, when it was written it included the general public. Because there was no formed or orginised groups. However, I believe the written document was referring to what we now call police and Military. And also allowing the general public to own guns (Within reason), to protect their properties from local bad guys and from over seas. Now with that said, as I said before, I believe in the 2nd amendment. And as you said, you can pick that simple statement apart for either side (As I did). But remember when you say "Automatic" and referring to your original posting, back in that time "Automatic" was how fast you could pack a musket. |
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Post by maddogchief on Dec 24, 2015 11:48:42 GMT -6
I always love refuting the argument of the "when it was written there were only muskets."
At the time, the government also only had muskets. I'm a strong believer in that if a government is allowed something, then so is the people they have been elected to govern.
Irony is some of our elected officials calling for a ban of "assault" rifles are the same that are for arming Syrian rebels with "assault" rifles....
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