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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Jun 29, 2018 8:31:40 GMT -6
There is a lot of corn damage in the Mascoutah area also.
Our power finally came back on around 4:30am. Props goes out to the Mascoutah Power, they were on the downed trees and outages before the rain even stopped.
Also you could definitely see the wind direction in the corn last night. Little lean from n to s. I was thinking about those guys being up in the lift buckets while there was still lots of lightning nearby. I'm glad someone is willing to do it because you couldn't pay me enough. |
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jun 29, 2018 8:42:20 GMT -6
There is a lot of corn damage in the Mascoutah area also.
Our power finally came back on around 4:30am. Props goes out to the Mascoutah Power, they were on the downed trees and outages before the rain even stopped.
I was thinking about those guys being up in the lift buckets while there was still lots of lightning nearby. I'm glad someone is willing to do it because you couldn't pay me enough. Wife just told me there were several linemen that were out, during the storm, doing their best to get power restored. Says a lot about them. |
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Post by guyfromhecker on Jun 29, 2018 10:07:31 GMT -6
Made it out here to Carmi. Pockets of major tree damage here too. Pretty much all the way across the state. Pretty incredible
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Post by modracer on Jun 29, 2018 12:59:19 GMT -6
WEAX,
Are you going to be in town for the 4th Fireworks? I'm going to have some surprises and interesting special effect shells. We have used some of them in our bigger shows, like Fair St Louis/VP Fair, but not in little ole Mascoutah...lol
Shouldn't be that bad of a day for setup as of now, only showing 92deg for a high. I love setting up fireworks when the HI is around 100-120deg, NOT,  about as much as I like hot needles shoved under my fingernails. 
I was thinking about those guys being up in the lift buckets while there was still lots of lightning nearby. I'm glad someone is willing to do it because you couldn't pay me enough. Wife just told me there were several linemen that were out, during the storm, doing their best to get power restored. Says a lot about them. |
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jun 29, 2018 13:05:30 GMT -6
WEAX,
Are you going to be in town for the 4th Fireworks? I'm going to have some surprises and interesting special effect shells. We have used some of them in our bigger shows, like Fair St Louis/VP Fair, but not in little ole Mascoutah...lol
Shouldn't be that bad of a day for setup as of now, only showing 92deg for a high. I love setting up fireworks when the HI is around 100-120deg, NOT, about as much as I like hot needles shoved under my fingernails.
Wife just told me there were several linemen that were out, during the storm, doing their best to get power restored. Says a lot about them. Yessir... have the best view from across Sixth st you can have... plus a lake to reflect the awesomeness. I'll see if I can get some good pics and video. |
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jun 29, 2018 13:06:32 GMT -6
Just finished fixing the siding... I've never wanted a beer more in my life! But I know that much cold too quickly is a bad thing on heated innerds.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jun 29, 2018 13:07:30 GMT -6
Drove around the neighborhood this morning while doing some shopping and saw several large limbs down in several yards as well as half a tree blocking part of a street, someone else had a large part of a tree just barely miss there house. Someone at the store said a roof blow off an apartment building in or around Fairview Heights. Seems like our property was spared compared to most which had at least a few decent sized branches or limbs brought down. Only a few small branches and mostly small twigs and leafs is what came down around my house. Probably a once every 2-3 year storm for our Subdivision with 2016 being the last storm that caused similar or worse damage including a couple entire trees uprooted in that July 2016 storm. I'll classify this as a top 10 storm since my stay here though.
Forgot to mention that the parking lot at the west Belleville Schuncks was under several inches of water according to some of the employees of the store earlier in the morning and last night. My street also flooded bad due to clogged drains and general depression in the street between my house an a next door neighbor. Stookey Township really needs to do something about the drainage in and around parts of Warrensburg Drive.
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Post by REB on Jun 29, 2018 13:26:18 GMT -6
I drove from the east end to the west end of belleville. Trees down in quite a few places. 75th and west main has an entire lane blocked off. Sister has huge limbs down in ogles subdivision. Several streets in that area are blocked off. We’re very fortunate. Air conditioning is being fixed now!
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Post by Snowman99 on Jun 29, 2018 14:10:45 GMT -6
Still disgusting out, but not nearly as hot as forecast. At 3pm only 92 with HI of 103. Was supposed to be 99 today with HI of 110 Guess the se wind has to do with this. Almost need a jacket. It was hotter yesterday.
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Post by Jeffmw on Jun 29, 2018 14:17:28 GMT -6
A few tree limbs in our front and back nothing big. So was last night a derecho?
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jun 29, 2018 16:07:11 GMT -6
So I was curious of the exact definition of a Derecho and decided to look it up. There dosent seem to be an exact definition but some widely accepted ones. One of the better ones comes from a 2005 study by Walker Ashley and Thomas Mote:
- Length: A concentrated area of thunderstorm high winds/wind damage at least 400 kilometers (roughly 249 miles) long.
- Chronological progression: The wind reports must flow forward logically with time as one or more swaths.
- No large time/space gap between reports: No time gaps of over 2.5 hours or spatial gaps of greater than 2 degrees of latitude or longitude between successive wind reports.
- Origin of wind swath: Multiple swaths must be part of the same thunderstorm cluster.
- Continuity: The thunderstorm cluster responsible for the high winds and wind damage must have temporal and spatial continuity.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jun 29, 2018 16:23:44 GMT -6
And here was the late morning update from the SPC yesterday. Not a complete swing and miss, but you can argue they should of atleast had “enhanced” outlook areas for the two southermost complexes. Many of the hardest hit areas around here were only in Marginal risk at that update  |
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jun 29, 2018 16:37:05 GMT -6
But the really confusing part from the SPC is that in the next two updates after that one, they downgraded the risk around here and were playing off the risk of severe winds continuing. I don’t know if they were just relying to much on model data or what but they were clearly missing what was really happening. Of course Mr. Higgins was all over it like usual.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Jun 29, 2018 16:46:55 GMT -6
I saw at least one tornado video out of eastern Montana. And there was also good sized hail, like this picture from Miles City  |
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Jun 29, 2018 17:04:20 GMT -6
Still disgusting out, but not nearly as hot as forecast. At 3pm only 92 with HI of 103. Was supposed to be 99 today with HI of 110 Guess the se wind has to do with this. Almost need a jacket. It was hotter yesterday. HI was 109 in Chicago on my way home from work. Was hoping that was just a St. Louis thing... |
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Post by Chris Higgins on Jun 29, 2018 17:06:29 GMT -6
And here was the late morning update from the SPC yesterday. Not a complete swing and miss, but you can argue they should of atleast had “enhanced” outlook areas for the two southermost complexes. Many of the hardest hit areas around here were only in Marginal risk at that update Sorry... it was a swing and a miss. They updated and pulled the SLT completely out of MO in the next update. And the SLT in the above outlook was for the AM activity I believe. |
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Post by nascarfan999 on Jun 29, 2018 17:14:30 GMT -6
So I was curious of the exact definition of a Derecho and decided to look it up. There dosent seem to be an exact definition but some widely accepted ones. One of the better ones comes from a 2005 study by Walker Ashley and Thomas Mote:
- Length: A concentrated area of thunderstorm high winds/wind damage at least 400 kilometers (roughly 249 miles) long.
- Chronological progression: The wind reports must flow forward logically with time as one or more swaths.
- No large time/space gap between reports: No time gaps of over 2.5 hours or spatial gaps of greater than 2 degrees of latitude or longitude between successive wind reports.
- Origin of wind swath: Multiple swaths must be part of the same thunderstorm cluster.
- Continuity: The thunderstorm cluster responsible for the high winds and wind damage must have temporal and spatial continuity.
My one question about that map is I thought the southern track was the storm complex that originated near our area early yesterday morning. If so, the two would have essentially overlapped around Kentucky and Tennessee. |
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Post by nascarfan999 on Jun 29, 2018 17:22:41 GMT -6
Here are the verification maps for yesterday's forecast. I would be surprised if more than 50 of the >700 reports from yesterday were form an Enhanced or Moderate Risk area. In fact, our derecho wasn't even considered for a marginal risk based on the lack of anything in Nebraska or Iowa initially.  I won't post the rest of the maps to save space, but here they are if you want to see the forecast progression... Forecast #2Forecast #3Forecast #4
Other have said it already, but a huge thanks and kudos to Chris AND to the several others on here who were highlighting the potential going back to Tuesday or so and stuck with it yesterday in the face of these forecasts. |
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jun 29, 2018 18:34:27 GMT -6
Sorry... it was a swing and a miss. They updated and pulled the SLT completely out of MO in the next update. And the SLT in the above outlook was for the AM activity I believe. Good point forgot about that. Really any way you look at it they dropped the ball around here big time |
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jun 29, 2018 20:13:54 GMT -6
Is it the local NWS office that helps with the convective outlook or does that all come out of Norman?
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jun 29, 2018 20:14:46 GMT -6
Is it the local NWS office that helps with the convective outlook or does that all come out of Norman? Norman, Storm Prediction Center (SPC). |
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jun 29, 2018 20:42:54 GMT -6
It might not have hit 100* today but the HI was 111* with a high Td of 81*...just flat nasty heat.
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Post by bdgwx on Jun 29, 2018 20:46:57 GMT -6
I have a dewpoint of 79F at my house. It feels disgusting outside.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Jun 29, 2018 21:12:16 GMT -6
Is it the local NWS office that helps with the convective outlook or does that all come out of Norman? Norman, Storm Prediction Center (SPC). Norman/SPC issues the outlooks with no input from local offices. They do the initial Watch issuance with some coordination from the local offices...who can add or subtract counties and locall extend the duration/location of watch after 1 hour has passed. Warnings are all local. |
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Post by Jeffmw on Jun 29, 2018 21:18:04 GMT -6
Not technically weather related but should just pass along Toys R Us stores in the St. Louis, Missouri area are now closed for good.
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Post by cozpregon on Jun 30, 2018 0:43:43 GMT -6
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Jun 30, 2018 1:05:22 GMT -6
It might not have hit 100* today but the HI was 111* with a high Td of 81*...just flat nasty heat. On Friday it was either Angela or Jamie that had a couple of good maps that showed while the temperature was higher in Salina and KC there dew points were lower so that our heat index and theirs were pretty much the same. Just as nasty uncomfortable in both places. |
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Post by ElKay23 - Columbia, IL on Jun 30, 2018 5:34:16 GMT -6
I thought it was foggy out, but it’s heavy condensation on the window with the a/c on. I don’t know how I’m going to get the grass cut, it’s either raining or too hot or both.
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Post by jmg378s on Jun 30, 2018 6:15:36 GMT -6
I assume you're talking about this one in IL? Very robust mesovortex there. Definitely deserved a warning and produced damage in the area. Not sure if that produced a tornado though. However, pretty sure the unwarned mesovortex to the east did... No. The one around centreville estl and Belleville Here ya go. I chose the scan with the highest normalized rotation as computed by GR2, but there's really nothing too terribly exciting in the scans. Storm relative velocity on the upper right and base velocity on the lower right.  |
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Post by mosue56 on Jun 30, 2018 9:07:52 GMT -6
So much fun mowing this morning! Just plain putrid out there!
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about as much as I like hot needles shoved under my fingernails. 
