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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Dec 19, 2018 14:16:29 GMT -6
“Polar vortex“ in the context of the article is very different from the term “polar vortex“ as used by the media the last however many years. That term has become a substitute for what used to be called a polar cold front or, as I was taught in school, a polar outbreak. But the headline is ambiguous about its use of the term. And since 99.9% of the population is not familiar with the former term they will see the use of the term in the headline in the context of the latter.
Just as terms like “snowpocalypse“ and “snowmaggedeon“ have replaced words like snowstorm or winter storm. In this era the media is scrambling to find news superlative, higher and higher impact adjectives to describe something that is not much different than it's been for centuries.
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Post by RyanD on Dec 19, 2018 14:30:33 GMT -6
Amen Guy!! I totally agree! The problem lies with the ignorance of the population. Many people think Polar Vortex is some kind of new phenomenon since it was rarely ever used prior to a couple years ago. So many associate it with some doom scenario rather than a simple arctic blast. It gets clicks because of the name. I don't care that it is used. I just think it is used way too often now.
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Post by bdgwx on Dec 19, 2018 14:30:56 GMT -6
The Euro has a White Christmas for everyone north of I-70 in MO and then into IL. In fact, it's a major winter storm with widespread 6"+ totals especially east of the Mississippi River. As far as I can tell it is the only model showing this though.
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 19, 2018 14:38:03 GMT -6
“Polar vortex“ in the context of the article is very different from the term “polar vortex“ as used by the media the last however many years. That term has become a substitute for what used to be called a polar cold front or, as I was taught in school, a polar outbreak. But the headline is ambiguous about its use of the term. And since 99.9% of the population is not familiar with the former term they will see the use of the term in the headline in the context of the latter. Just as terms like “snowpocalypse“ and “snowmaggedeon“ have replaced words like snowstorm or winter storm. In this era the media is scrambling to find news superlative, higher and higher impact adjectives to describe something that is not much different than it's been for centuries. The headline is ambiguous in its use of the term? Just what does that mean. |
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Post by rb1108 on Dec 19, 2018 14:40:15 GMT -6
The Euro has a White Christmas for everyone north of I-70 in MO and then into IL. In fact, it's a major winter storm with widespread 6"+ totals especially east of the Mississippi River. As far as I can tell it is the only model showing this though. Watch all other models start trending towards it... |
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2018 14:50:27 GMT -6
The Euro has a White Christmas for everyone north of I-70 in MO and then into IL. In fact, it's a major winter storm with widespread 6"+ totals especially east of the Mississippi River. As far as I can tell it is the only model showing this though. There does appear to be a "just cold enough" airmass lurking close by...I can see the potential but as usual a lot has to go right for it to happen. Yesterday the GFS barely had any defined shortwaves at all during that timeframe. I haven't looked at today's runs yet. |
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 19, 2018 14:52:10 GMT -6
Polar vortex could unleash winter Wallop by January.
That is the headline. To summarize the article says it start out by looking at a few of the past Winters where the vortex was disturbed.
They then moved on to looking at the signs pointing at the possibility that people are talking about. Models of course.
They finished up with presenting the fact that there was not any certainty this would occur.
The whole article basically says the polar vortex could become disturbed possibly and cause severe winter weather possibly. I still don't know what's so far off about a headline that says could. It's a good summary.
I see someone gushing a couple of pages ago about the possible warm over Siberia like it's almost unprecedented. A mention of the PV. Words of possible records. Isn't that pretty much the same thing? Talking about the possibilities. The could. I just don't get all this
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Post by SnowManJoe - Wentzville, MO on Dec 19, 2018 14:55:11 GMT -6
I just created a thread in general topics for the Polar Vortex discussion. You're welcome.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Dec 19, 2018 14:58:53 GMT -6
“Polar vortex“ in the context of the article is very different from the term “polar vortex“ as used by the media the last however many years. That term has become a substitute for what used to be called a polar cold front or, as I was taught in school, a polar outbreak. But the headline is ambiguous about its use of the term. And since 99.9% of the population is not familiar with the former term they will see the use of the term in the headline in the context of the latter. Just as terms like “snowpocalypse“ and “snowmaggedeon“ have replaced words like snowstorm or winter storm. In this era the media is scrambling to find news superlative, higher and higher impact adjectives to describe something that is not much different than it's been for centuries. The headline is ambiguous in its use of the term? Just what does that mean. I explained what I meant in the first paragraph, plain and simple. Clearly others understand what I am saying. I'm sorry that you don't. I've said my piece. I'm done. |
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Post by snowjunky on Dec 19, 2018 15:00:42 GMT -6
I just created a thread in general topics for the Polar Vortex discussion. You're welcome. Dilly Dilly |
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Post by maddogchief on Dec 19, 2018 15:00:50 GMT -6
The Euro has a White Christmas for everyone north of I-70 in MO and then into IL. In fact, it's a major winter storm with widespread 6"+ totals especially east of the Mississippi River. As far as I can tell it is the only model showing this though. The one time the Euro will show something nice for us with no other support will be the time it is wrong. |
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Dec 19, 2018 15:01:32 GMT -6
The Euro has a White Christmas for everyone north of I-70 in MO and then into IL. In fact, it's a major winter storm with widespread 6"+ totals especially east of the Mississippi River. As far as I can tell it is the only model showing this though. There does appear to be a "just cold enough" airmass lurking close by...I can see the potential but as usual a lot has to go right for it to happen. Yesterday the GFS barely had any defined shortwaves at all during that timeframe. I haven't looked at today's runs yet. Glenn said something similar last night at 9 - just enough cold air. Though he didn't say anything about 6+“. Sounded more like mood flakes to me.. |
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 19, 2018 15:04:42 GMT -6
The headline is ambiguous in its use of the term? Just what does that mean. I explained what I meant in the first paragraph, plain and simple. Clearly others understand what I am saying. I'm sorry that you don't. I've said my piece. I'm done. I guess they should have came out and said we're not using the media term we're talkin about the real thing. This is just so silly. It's not a bad headline. If people don't get it tough cookies. that doesn't mean you can't use it anymore. They use the term in the headline. They wrote an article that touched upon it often. It is the right term for what they were talking about. What is wrong with that? Because we have a confused public we must stay away from the term? I don't get it. Oh wait a minute. They are part of the media and they are part of the blame so they can't do it anymore. I understand. You may think you're not exhibiting a bias towards the media, but I got to tell you..... whatever. It is not a bad article. People get confused don't blame the author. You're condemning the author for past sins that may not even even belong to him. |
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 19, 2018 15:14:03 GMT -6
People here tend to be science or weather saavy. We know the terms and what they mean and don't mean. Most of the general public does not. I read a newspaper at least twice a week. Not online. Actual paper..my fingers get black and everything. Many people do tend to over react to certain terms used in headlines. A lot of people only read headlines and not the articles. A headline like "Trump could be impeached", makes half the country celebrate and the other half sh1t themselves. They dont read the article and see what the chances are...why...and what needs to happen. I, for one, hope the polar vortex cimes down stis and spins over des moines.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2018 15:16:42 GMT -6
The problem is that "polar vortex" is a scientific/meteorological term taken out of context by the media and turned into an overused catch phrase. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Dec 19, 2018 15:28:40 GMT -6
The Euro has a White Christmas for everyone north of I-70 in MO and then into IL. In fact, it's a major winter storm with widespread 6"+ totals especially east of the Mississippi River. As far as I can tell it is the only model showing this though. Euro run is nearly the dream. Only 1 gfs ensemble member shows anything similar. Fv3 is slightly better. Nice to have any hope still though. |
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Post by mchafin on Dec 19, 2018 15:29:57 GMT -6
The problem is that "polar vortex" is a scientific/meteorological term taken out of context by the media and turned into an overused catch phrase. Why is that so hard to understand? How dare you! SLAP!! |
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Dec 19, 2018 15:36:47 GMT -6
People here tend to be science or weather saavy. We know the terms and what they mean and don't mean. Most of the general public does not. I read a newspaper at least twice a week. Not online. Actual paper..my fingers get black and everything. Many people do tend to over react to certain terms used in headlines. A lot of people only read headlines and not the articles. A headline like "Trump could be impeached", makes half the country celebrate and the other half sh1t themselves. They dont read the article and see what the chances are...why...and what needs to happen. I, for one, hope the polar vortex cimes down stis and spins over des moines. I haven't read an actual newspaper in a decade or more. I was wondering if they ever solved the problem of the ink. I especially hated it when I used to wear a lot white dress shirts |
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2018 15:43:31 GMT -6
Once again the difference in modeling by D5 is astounding.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Dec 19, 2018 15:45:10 GMT -6
When i first read your comment, i thought you said you wore alot of white dresses.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Dec 19, 2018 15:56:47 GMT -6
When i first read your comment, i thought you said you wore alot of white dresses. SSSSSHHHHHH!!! Don't tell anyone. |
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 19, 2018 16:05:59 GMT -6
The problem is that "polar vortex" is a scientific/meteorological term taken out of context by the media and turned into an overused catch phrase. Why is that so hard to understand? Got that, but what's the problem with the article? That's the part I can't grasp. What gets me in this situations is how people say The Media. Who is The Media? Don't point out individual sins, just label the whole group. Well you just called Chris part of the problem. That leads to BIAS. It does folks. I would much rather have you folks point out the instances of turning this into a catchphrase when not appropriate then ripping apart an article was appropriate. All I have been shown about this article here is that people are reposting it with gross misunderstanding. I will say this slowly as I can. Why blame the author? Oh yeah, he's part of the media. You guys get it? |
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Post by mchafin on Dec 19, 2018 16:21:38 GMT -6
CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THE ARTICLE. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by rb1108 on Dec 19, 2018 16:21:49 GMT -6
TWC has moved its "possible" for a white Xmas to now include STL. Must be siding with the EURO.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2018 16:26:57 GMT -6
CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THE ARTICLE. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone else read this in Chris Farley's voice? |
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Post by Sparkman - Wildwood, Mo on Dec 19, 2018 16:28:47 GMT -6
Yes
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Post by guyfromhecker on Dec 19, 2018 16:29:25 GMT -6
I almost wonder about this thought that the media has done something with the sacred word that has led to great misunderstanding. I see an arrogance among the meteorologist and would-be meteorologists of the word world when one of their terms gets tossed about what they call to freely.
I'd like to see some of the examples of media catch phrasing.
I myself think you don't have to do anything wrong and the public can be misled simply because they don't read it all. It's a common problem. But let's blame it all on the media. We have no faults
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Post by cozpregon on Dec 19, 2018 16:30:45 GMT -6
No we don't... move on.
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Post by bdgwx on Dec 19, 2018 16:31:57 GMT -6
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Post by bdgwx on Dec 19, 2018 16:34:24 GMT -6
I wonder if the Polar Vortex is going to amount to Jack Squat come January? I hope so.
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