BDS
Wishcaster
Columbia, MO
Posts: 202 
|
Post by BDS on May 23, 2019 11:33:27 GMT -6
I think the NWS may have created a lot of the hype themselves by calling it a "catostrophic" tornado on the ground as it was happening. Call it large, extremely dangerous...get your point across. By definition, this tornado was hardly catostrophic. And maybe they didn't even use that term, but that is what the local news station I was watching relayed....this was 15 mi from my house. It was the actual tornado warning itself that was tagged with potential tordnado damage threat as catastrophic. They called it large, deadly and destructive tornado. With a a large tornado going through a highly populous area, it was the right call for sure. |
|
|
|
Post by Chris Higgins on May 23, 2019 11:34:55 GMT -6
Yes... a small portion has been rated ef3. More to survey.
Catostrophic is one of a couple of tag choices they can use in the automated warning generator. The language is hard coded based on how strong they think the storm is. When they went to Tornado Emergency....I believe catostrophic is automatically used.
All of this was driven by social scientists following Joplin...to use language that is more consistent and appropriate to the threat. I think the TE...and catostrophic tag were warranted.
|
|
|
|
Post by Snowstorm920 on May 23, 2019 11:55:33 GMT -6
This is such a haunting video of the Jeff City tornado from last night
|
|
|
|
Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on May 23, 2019 12:06:48 GMT -6
This is such a haunting video of the Jeff City tornado from last night
Yes it is |
|
|
|
Post by BRTNWXMAN on May 23, 2019 12:29:26 GMT -6
I'd say the usage of a term like catastrophic isn't a reach when a strong tornado is tracking into a densely populated area...
|
|
|
|
Post by Snowstorm920 on May 23, 2019 12:31:21 GMT -6
This is such a haunting video of the Jeff City tornado from last night
Heres a direct link to the video (with sound). For some reason that gif wasn't loading on my mobile device
|
|
|
|
Post by mchafin on May 23, 2019 12:44:20 GMT -6
This is such a haunting video of the Jeff City tornado from last night
Heres a direct link to the video (with sound). For some reason that gif wasn't loading on my mobile device
I think I would've passed out had I seen that image of that thing near my backyard. |
|
|
|
Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on May 23, 2019 12:47:20 GMT -6
Suns out and it is gross feeling outside.
|
|
|
|
Post by Chris Higgins on May 23, 2019 12:48:01 GMT -6
|
|
|
|
Post by mosue56 on May 23, 2019 13:01:02 GMT -6
Eldon MO has not been mentioned as much as Jeff City! Lots of damage there too but. O pics because of all the damage! This is from FB!
|
|
|
|
Post by Jeffmw on May 23, 2019 13:11:07 GMT -6
Suns out and it is gross feeling outside. Isn’t that how imit is sometimes after these type of storms. |
|
jeeper
Wishcaster
Rosewood Heights, IL
Posts: 183
|
Post by jeeper on May 23, 2019 13:56:28 GMT -6
Tornado warning in Wash DC?  |
|
|
|
Post by msnotos on May 23, 2019 13:57:14 GMT -6
Heres a direct link to the video (with sound). For some reason that gif wasn't loading on my mobile device
I think I would've passed out had I seen that image of that thing near my backyard. We were just passing this around the office and a coworker and I agreed, this is what is sounded like in the Valley when the weather turned . |
|
|
|
Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on May 23, 2019 14:54:30 GMT -6
I think the NWS may have created a lot of the hype themselves by calling it a "catostrophic" tornado on the ground as it was happening. Call it large, extremely dangerous...get your point across. By definition, this tornado was hardly catostrophic. And maybe they didn't even use that term, but that is what the local news station I was watching relayed....this was 15 mi from my house. When I first heard the word “catastrophic“ I was expecting a lot fatalities. Possibly on the level of Joplin. I'm so glad there were none. And, given the images, even the injury count is thankfully low. |
|
|
|
Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on May 23, 2019 15:00:36 GMT -6
Heres a direct link to the video (with sound). For some reason that gif wasn't loading on my mobile device
I think I would've passed out had I seen that image of that thing near my backyard. I definitely would not have stayed outside shooting video! |
|
|
|
Post by Chris Higgins on May 23, 2019 15:44:16 GMT -6
I think the NWS may have created a lot of the hype themselves by calling it a "catostrophic" tornado on the ground as it was happening. Call it large, extremely dangerous...get your point across. By definition, this tornado was hardly catostrophic. And maybe they didn't even use that term, but that is what the local news station I was watching relayed....this was 15 mi from my house. When I first heard the word “catastrophic“ I was expecting a lot fatalities. Possibly on the level of Joplin. I'm so glad there were none. And, given the images, even the injury count is thankfully low. There easily could have been... I have to believe the wording in the warning helped drive the message to those who received it that this had the potential to be a really big deal based on the radar signature. So it seems to me not only was the wording appropriate… it worked! |
|
|
|
Post by Snowman99 on May 23, 2019 15:47:32 GMT -6
Sure is muggy out there. Looks like it's going to be that way for a while too. Wonder if more storms sneak in here this weekend
|
|
|
|
Post by scmhack on May 23, 2019 15:53:02 GMT -6
Sure is muggy out there. Looks like it's going to be that way for a while too. Wonder if more storms sneak in here this weekend I'd bet my next month's house payment on it |
|
|
|
Post by shrapnel - Arnold, MO on May 23, 2019 16:09:51 GMT -6
When I first heard the word “catastrophic“ I was expecting a lot fatalities. Possibly on the level of Joplin. I'm so glad there were none. And, given the images, even the injury count is thankfully low. There easily could have been... I have to believe the wording in the warning helped drive the message to those who received it that this had the potential to be a really big deal based on the radar signature. So it seems to me not only was the wording appropriate… it worked! Oh for sure, just have to be careful about the opposite effect as well "last time we had a catastrophic tornado no one even died" I don't know what the proper term would be but I agree that this time is probably helped. I would love to see data on what percent of people injured last night knew it was coming and had taken shelter or....were laying in bed sleeping / unaware. Some of the local channels down here were 8 hours straight with coverage BEFORE this one hit. |
|
|
|
Post by Chris Higgins on May 23, 2019 16:32:39 GMT -6
There easily could have been... I have to believe the wording in the warning helped drive the message to those who received it that this had the potential to be a really big deal based on the radar signature. So it seems to me not only was the wording appropriate… it worked! Oh for sure, just have to be careful about the opposite effect as well "last time we had a catastrophic tornado no one even died" I don't know what the proper term would be but I agree that this time is probably helped. I would love to see data on what percent of people injured last night knew it was coming and had taken shelter or....were laying in bed sleeping / unaware. Some of the local channels down here were 8 hours straight with coverage BEFORE this one hit. But catostrophic has nothing to do with expectation for fatalities...it is a descriptor of the expected damage...with the hopes that people recognize the implications of catostrophic damage...ie risk to life...and react accordingly. I agree, it has to be used judiciously...and I think it is. I have not seen it used but a handful of times by the LSX crew. I cannot speak to other offices. Also, to my knowledge...that was the first ever tornado emegency issued by the local NWS. |
|
|
|
Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on May 23, 2019 16:38:45 GMT -6
When I first heard the word “catastrophic“ I was expecting a lot fatalities. Possibly on the level of Joplin. I'm so glad there were none. And, given the images, even the injury count is thankfully low. There easily could have been... I have to believe the wording in the warning helped drive the message to those who received it that this had the potential to be a really big deal based on the radar signature. So it seems to me not only was the wording appropriate… it worked! And, as you pointed out this morning, they had a 1/2 hour advance notice which I'm sure also saved lives.
|
|
|
|
Post by RyanD on May 23, 2019 17:47:21 GMT -6
Just saw Chris' video from Carl Junction on The Weather Channel. That's great footage. Was that on the air or done on your own "free" time?
|
|
|
|
Post by RyanD on May 23, 2019 18:03:38 GMT -6
|
|
|
|
Post by John G -west belleville on May 23, 2019 18:11:29 GMT -6
Just saw Chris' video from Carl Junction on The Weather Channel. That's great footage. Was that on the air or done on your own "free" time? Wow. Didn't know Chris was successful. Congrats on a job well done |
|
|
|
Post by Snowman99 on May 23, 2019 18:24:15 GMT -6
Is this really Our Chris Higgins? This is way down near Joplin. Maybe a different Chris Higgins? Chris is that you? And if it is when did you find the time to go there? lol. I haven't seen the video, just some stills.
Edit: Saw the video. When I google it..it always says "spotter" Chris Higgins, not meteorologist Chris Higgins. I highly doubt this is our dude.
Edit 2: Also the Carl Junction twister would have occurred when Chris was (maybe) sleeping.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on May 23, 2019 18:32:16 GMT -6
Even the famous storm chaser/severe storm photographer Warren Faidley had posted Chris's picture this morning of the storm in Carl Junction. But he made the mistake of using it for the Jeff City tornado. He must of taken it down. Its no longer on his Facebook Page.
Edit: Snowman is there another Chris Higgins??
|
|
|
|
Post by Snowman99 on May 23, 2019 18:40:40 GMT -6
Even the famous storm chaser/severe storm photographer Warren Faidley had posted Chris's picture this morning of the storm in Carl Junction. But he made the mistake of using it for the Jeff City tornado. He must of taken it down. Its no longer on his Facebook Page. Edit: Snowman is there another Chris Higgins?? I'm going to assume there are many people named Chris Higgins, just like there are many named Greg Dixon (my name). I'm just very suspicious of this being our man, Since it's so far away. But I have been wrong before.  |
|
|
|
Post by RyanD on May 23, 2019 20:03:18 GMT -6
Is this really Our Chris Higgins? This is way down near Joplin. Maybe a different Chris Higgins? Chris is that you? And if it is when did you find the time to go there? lol. I haven't seen the video, just some stills. Edit: Saw the video. When I google it..it always says "spotter" Chris Higgins, not meteorologist Chris Higgins. I highly doubt this is our dude. Edit 2: Also the Carl Junction twister would have occurred when Chris was (maybe) sleeping. Yeah, I was skeptical it was our Chris but what's the odds? Lol |
|
|
|
Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on May 23, 2019 21:26:04 GMT -6
So sounds like over all Dave is leaning towards a cooler wet summer. With rivers staying moderate to high into August. Could be bad news if we have a wet fall as well.
|
|
|
|
Post by RyanD on May 23, 2019 22:48:16 GMT -6
WeatherNation is also showing "Chris Higgins'" tornado footage.
|
|
