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Post by Chris Higgins on Mar 4, 2020 12:04:24 GMT -6
Finally... Fever free for 12hrs and counting... and starting to feel better. Hope to be back at work tomorrow.
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Mar 4, 2020 12:06:46 GMT -6
Either way the vegetation is gonna start popping with this weather this week.
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Post by Tilawn on Mar 4, 2020 12:45:37 GMT -6
Either way the vegetation is gonna start popping with this weather this week. Henbit is already plentiful!!
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Post by Chris Higgins on Mar 4, 2020 13:23:14 GMT -6
Allergy numbers are already popping! Tress have been moderate/high this week. Are there any MASTER excel/macro/vba folks out in this group? I need some high level help with a project I'm playing around with. PM me if you think you can help Chris
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sullivanjohn
Wishcaster
Sullivan, MO
Posts: 141
Snowfall Events: Code Monkey
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Post by sullivanjohn on Mar 4, 2020 13:49:04 GMT -6
PM atcha Chris
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Post by Chris Higgins on Mar 4, 2020 14:06:59 GMT -6
Back at you "code monkey" That's your new nickname
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sullivanjohn
Wishcaster
Sullivan, MO
Posts: 141
Snowfall Events: Code Monkey
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Post by sullivanjohn on Mar 4, 2020 14:32:06 GMT -6
Back at you "code monkey" That's your new nickname I've been called much, much worse Can that show up right under my name in my profile??? LOL...I've been a Weather Weenie/Wishcaster for a long, long time...
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Post by Jeffmw on Mar 4, 2020 14:43:58 GMT -6
From the NWSCPC today. March looks like it’s going to be warm.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Mar 4, 2020 14:44:21 GMT -6
Back at you "code monkey" That's your new nickname I've been called much, much worse Can that show up right under my name in my profile??? LOL...I've been a Weather Weenie/Wishcaster for a long, long time... I added it to your snowfall events
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Post by Snowman99 on Mar 4, 2020 17:14:07 GMT -6
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Post by bdgwx on Mar 4, 2020 17:42:41 GMT -6
Just an EF-3?
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Post by perryville on Mar 4, 2020 18:01:23 GMT -6
Chris posted this 3 years ago. Time flies. Fox2Now #stlwx #mowx #perryville #tornado The final write-up has been released from the National Weather Service office out of Paducah reguarding the Perryville tornado. It includes much more detail.
Rating: EF-4 Estimated peak wind: 180 mph Path length /Statute/: 50.4 miles Path width /Maximum/: 0.6 miles Fatalities: 1 Injuries: 12
Start date: February 28 Start time: 7:55 PM CST Start location: 4.8 miles WNW of Perryville, Missouri
End date: February 28 End time: 8:57 PM CST End location: 1.8 miles SW of Christopher, Illinois
The tornado quickly became violent reaching EF-4 intensity and leveling 5 homes, as well as other structures, just west of I-55, about 3.5 miles northwest of Perryville, Missouri. This is in the Kyle Lane and County Road 806 area. Numerous uninhabited cars from a salvage yard were blown into or over I-55. The lone fatality occurred when an I-55 southbound vehicle was intercepted by the tornado. As the tornado tore east, it caused the area of greatest home and property destruction 3 miles north of Perryville, in the vicinity of U.S. Highway 61 and Moore Drive. Three homes were leveled on the west side of U.S. Highway 61 with dozens of other homes and structures destroyed. Several of the injuries occurred in this area. In addition to the leveled homes in Perry County, at least 100 other homes received moderate to major damage. As the tornado continued east across Perry County, it leveled or nearly leveled 2 additional homes and destroyed numerous other homes and structures. The tornado reached its greatest width as it approached the Mississippi River where a damage swath 0.6 miles wide was measured. The tornado damage path also exhibited multiple vortex characteristics at this point, yielding three distinct convergent areas within the parent vortex. This was also indicated via ground striations, or disturbance marks to bare ground, just west of the Mississippi River. The tornado then ripped across the southern tip of Randolph County Illinois just south of Rockwood. It then continued its ENE path across Jackson County Illinois passing just south of Ava, Illinois and immediately south of Vergennes, Illinois. Many thousands of large trees were snapped and uprooted, and dozens of homes and other structures were damaged or destroyed across Jackson and Franklin Counties. The tornado remained very intense and wide (at least 1/3 mile) nearly leveling a home as it passed between Elkville and Dowell, Illinois and into Franklin County with unabating intensity. A house was leveled 1.75 miles south of Mulkeytown. Very soon thereafter the tornado began to rapidly weaken, before dissipating 1.8 miles southwest of Christopher. The tornado lasted an astounding 1 hour and 2 minutes and was the longest track tornado in the coverage area of NWS Paducah since another EF-4 tornado back on April 22, 1981.
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Post by Sparkman - Wildwood, Mo on Mar 4, 2020 18:53:14 GMT -6
There are multiple structures completely leveled and blown off their foundations. I thought that was typically EF-4 damage.
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 4, 2020 19:11:17 GMT -6
Cookeville tornado is separate from the Nashville tornado. Just now Nashville NWS announced a preliminary rating of EF-4 to the Cookeville tornado.
It's odd, though not surprising I guess, that Nashville is getting all the attention, but the Cookeville tornado resulted in 18 of the fatalities and the damage looked much worse (at least to me). It was the aerial images of the Cookeville tornado where many homes appeared to be nearly, or completely in some cases, swept from foundations with pulverized debris fields.
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Post by mosue56 on Mar 4, 2020 20:14:47 GMT -6
Could the tornado have split in half?
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sullivanjohn
Wishcaster
Sullivan, MO
Posts: 141
Snowfall Events: Code Monkey
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Post by sullivanjohn on Mar 4, 2020 20:21:11 GMT -6
Chris, check your PMs please
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 4, 2020 21:51:45 GMT -6
Could the tornado have split in half? The NWS is treating the Cookeville tornado separate from the Nashville tornado. They were both tornadoes from the same supercell though, but at different points along the track.
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 4, 2020 22:41:05 GMT -6
Will be interesting to see when/where the Cookeville survey places the start time & damage path. I believe the tornado warning was issued at 1:48am and by that time the tornado may have already been on the ground. Anyway looking at radar, I think subjectively it would have been tough to issue a warning much earlier than 1:46 though. Now I saw one picture with catastrophic damage where I think I was able to identify the precise location and that matched up with rotation at about 1:51am. So some of these locations unfortunately may have had very little warning. Just about the worst possible situation...rapidly developing violent tornado at 2am.
Edit: Just a clarification, there was a severe T-storm warning for the area much earlier so I don't want to imply there was little warning of any type.
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 4, 2020 22:53:25 GMT -6
I saved the 06z RAP 2am forecast roughly in the vicinity of the Cookeville area trying my best not to get a too convectively contaminated sounding. It's hard to say how representative of the near storm environment this would have been. I think CAPE is probably a bit generous in this sounding. But look at all that helicity. We've seen many times how gobs of SRH in the lowest part of the atmosphere can easily compensate for lackluster thermodynamics.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Mar 5, 2020 6:29:50 GMT -6
Will be interesting to see when/where the Cookeville survey places the start time & damage path. I believe the tornado warning was issued at 1:48am and by that time the tornado may have already been on the ground. Anyway looking at radar, I think subjectively it would have been tough to issue a warning much earlier than 1:46 though. Now I saw one picture with catastrophic damage where I think I was able to identify the precise location and that matched up with rotation at about 1:51am. So some of these locations unfortunately may have had very little warning. Just about the worst possible situation...rapidly developing violent tornado at 2am. Edit: Just a clarification, there was a severe T-storm warning for the area much earlier so I don't want to imply there was little warning of any type. Yeah... that's tough territory for radar coverage. Kind of like being out in COU...halfway between EAX and LSX. I looked at the radar and until the CC plume popped up, I didn't see anything that would scream large/destructive tornado. The couplet tightened rapidly, but it was not nearly as impressive as what was seen near Nashville. One thing I checked was elevation...and there is a pretty substantial increase in elevation of about 500 feet between Baxter Valley (~500 feet) and Cooksville (~1100 feet). I have to wonder if that played a roll in the sudden resurgence of the mesocyclone/tornado. There has been some research done that would suggest an opposite affect. When tornado emerge into a valley, they should (in theory) intensify as the vorticity gets stretched through a deeper layer. Going up hill should constrict the circulation and weaken the circulation to some degree (again... in theory). However, in a case where you have limited instability and strong LL shear... I have to wonder if the increase in elevation was just enough to allow a somewhat elevated mesocylone to more easily "drill down" to the surface? Just one of many questions about this storm outbreak. Lots to learn for sure. This will be studied for a LOOOOONG time.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Mar 5, 2020 8:20:54 GMT -6
Will be interesting to see when/where the Cookeville survey places the start time & damage path. I believe the tornado warning was issued at 1:48am and by that time the tornado may have already been on the ground. Anyway looking at radar, I think subjectively it would have been tough to issue a warning much earlier than 1:46 though. Now I saw one picture with catastrophic damage where I think I was able to identify the precise location and that matched up with rotation at about 1:51am. So some of these locations unfortunately may have had very little warning. Just about the worst possible situation...rapidly developing violent tornado at 2am. Edit: Just a clarification, there was a severe T-storm warning for the area much earlier so I don't want to imply there was little warning of any type. Yeah... that's tough territory for radar coverage. Kind of like being out in COU...halfway between EAX and LSX. I looked at the radar and until the CC plume popped up, I didn't see anything that would scream large/destructive tornado. The couplet tightened rapidly, but it was not nearly as impressive as what was seen near Nashville. One thing I checked was elevation...and there is a pretty substantial increase in elevation of about 500 feet between Baxter Valley (~500 feet) and Cooksville (~1100 feet). I have to wonder if that played a roll in the sudden resurgence of the mesocyclone/tornado. There has been some research done that would suggest an opposite affect. When tornado emerge into a valley, they should (in theory) intensify as the vorticity gets stretched through a deeper layer. Going up hill should constrict the circulation and weaken the circulation to some degree (again... in theory). However, in a case where you have limited instability and strong LL shear... I have to wonder if the increase in elevation was just enough to allow a somewhat elevated mesocylone to more easily "drill down" to the surface? Just one of many questions about this storm outbreak. Lots to learn for sure. This will be studied for a LOOOOONG time. I think the Perryville tornado supports the elevation/terrain theory. That cell was rotating across the entire Ozarks which is extremely hilly and inconsistent terrain if you’ve never been down that way. Once it came down off of that it tightened up and went EF-3/EF-4 in a matter of a few minutes just to the west of I-55.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Mar 5, 2020 8:28:12 GMT -6
There has been some conversation as to whether there was a seperate tornado that hit Cookeville TN. Based on the pic in this NSSL Twitter link that has some help. I an not sure but it looks like after the tornado went through Wilson County, the storm right turned and tracked NE again. Could be the same tornado, maybe not. Thoughts?
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 5, 2020 8:36:31 GMT -6
Yes, I forgot to point that out but I'm pretty sure there was a second tornado in the southern part of Cookeville. Supercell appeared to be cycling and I noticed another rotation couplet colocated with low CC develop after the first one further south.
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Post by jmg378s on Mar 5, 2020 9:44:58 GMT -6
Reread your comment weaxweather and I think I may have misinterpreted what you were saying. Yes tornado in Putnam County (Cookeville area) is being treated as a different tornado than the one that went through Wilson County (which I believe the survey actually showed ended near Gordonsville). Now as I said, I think there could have actually been 2 separate tornadoes just in the Cookeville area, but I want to go back and double check the radar. Here's a link to the ongoing survey information: www.weather.gov/ohx/DamageSurveysfromMarch3
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Mar 5, 2020 9:49:58 GMT -6
Reread your comment weaxweather and I think I may have misinterpreted what you were saying. Yes tornado in Putnam County (Cookeville area) is being treated as a different tornado than the one that went through Wilson County (which I believe the survey actually showed ended near Gordonsville). Now as I said, I think there could have actually been 2 separate tornadoes just in the Cookeville area, but I want to go back and double check the radar. I think what I am driving at is the couplet signature set driving SE out of eastern wilson county. Is that the same cell? It looked to dive or right turn to set up it's run over cookeville. Not saying there isnt a second couplet down that way. Clearly there are two. Just wondering if anyone else was thinking that is all.
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Post by unclesam6 on Mar 5, 2020 10:07:55 GMT -6
GFS looks at least halfway interesting for some stormy junk with in the next 7-10 days.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Mar 5, 2020 10:15:55 GMT -6
Just talked to my mother again. She finally got her power back yesterday afternoon. Just for context... if you have seen the picture of the small red car on the third floor balcony of the apartments... that is less than a mile from her house. I am eternally thankful that the track wasn't any closer to her and my step dad. I feel for the people affected, mourn the losses and hope they can recover quickly. I wish I could go home and help, but, I have donated to a local food bank. Shortly after I retired from the Navy, I had a job driving a satellite up-link truck and the first real work I was sent on was the Vilonia AR EF5 tornado. Seeing first hand, the complete destruction, changed me forever. Some things cannot be unseen and are forever etched into my mind. Sorry to vent but Monday was a very emotional day, not having contact with family to verify my mother was okay. I know some of you understand and I appreciate the forum to talk. Be well friends.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 5, 2020 10:56:53 GMT -6
GFS looks at least halfway interesting for some stormy junk with in the next 7-10 days. We would need a negative tilt or diving northern stream wave, as the cold air is quickly shuttled north and east of the region. Rain and mud incoming.
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Post by Snowman99 on Mar 5, 2020 11:30:06 GMT -6
Yeah, after a couple weeks of decently dry weather, models showing a pretty wet week next week. Of course they did this week too, and surprisingly it didn't happen.
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Post by maddogchief on Mar 5, 2020 14:06:22 GMT -6
It’s going to take a major reorganization of the atmosphere to have a snowball’s chance in snowman’s backyard to snow around here.
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