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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on May 14, 2020 8:26:57 GMT -6
I'm getting not all that distant thunder here now.
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Post by ElKay23 - Columbia, IL on May 14, 2020 9:20:14 GMT -6
Hearing distant thunder also, my wx app shows lightning well north & west of here
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on May 14, 2020 9:37:36 GMT -6
Nothing here
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on May 14, 2020 9:42:57 GMT -6
I hope Saturday stays dry most of the day... I plan on smoking a Brisket.
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Post by Frivolousz21 on May 14, 2020 9:43:10 GMT -6
We are all but guaranteed to havean official Nina for this fall-spring.
In fact the nino surface conditions while having it's normal atmospheric influence was propped up by a very thin layer of near surface warm anomalies over the Eastern side of Enso box 3.
With a slightly deeper warm pool over the Western side of Enso 4.
With a solid shot of weakened equatorial Easterlies from Jan-early March was enough to keep the charade up while cold anomalies slowly gathered in the 40-100M subsurface range between 5N-5S.
FULL STOP!!
About a month ago the equatorial winds turned into anomalously strong Easterlies then about 2.5 weeks ago one of the longest and strongest bursts of Easterly anomalous winds broke out spanning from 100/110 East all the way to the dateline.
Now the coldest sub-surface temps since the 1999 Nina are here.
So a moderate Nina to strong is likely to be well established by early Fall.
So going back in time.
Winters with moderate to strong ninas.
2017-18(moderate) awful winter 2011-12(strong)SNOWY 2010-11(strong)SNOWY 2005-06(weakish) awful winter 2000-01(weakish) can't remember 1999-00(strong) good winter 1998-99(strong) huge New year's Eve snow/sleet event... The largest in the upper Mississippi valley/lower lakes maybe on record? 1995-96(moderate) solid winter 1988-89(strong) can't remember except bitter cold 1985-86(moderate) don't know 1984-85(weak) don't now 1975-76(strong) don't know 1974-75(weakish-moderate) don't know 1973-74(strongest since at least 1948) don't know 1971-72(moderate) don't know 1970-71(moderately-strong) don't know 1964-65(weak) don't know
Not going back any further since the climate was so different from today.
Really anything pre late 80s is like from a different world.
Never the less.
The main pattern is a NPAC -epo(big ridge) bringing a cross polar flow into Western NA with deep cold riding the spine of the Rockies and in many cases the cold spilling into the pnw.
This is the kind of pattern that will bring us good chances for winter precip of all kinds.
If there is a SE ridge and a +NAO/AO we can get major ice storms from this pattern between the i70-i80 corridors in December.
While that shifts SE and centers on the i44 corridor in Jan and Feb.
If we have no blocking and no SE ridge we can see major snows from even moderate pieces of energy like Jan 2014 or Feb 2009.
If we have blocking we can sadly end up in the late 90s to mid 2000s ngm,avn headfakes where the models a day out print out .35-.50 qpf with 12/1 ratios prompting the NWS to forecast this:
This afternoon increasing clouds with flurries after 4pm. High around 27. EASTERLY WIND 8-14 MPH.
TONIGHT...40% Chance of Snow before midnight...then periods of Snow overnight. Moderate accumulation likely, low of 24. EASTERLY Winds 7-12 mph becoming out of the NE towards morning. Chance of snow 80%.
TOMORROW...SNOW Likely before noon. Total snow accumulation 4-8 inches. High of 25. Temperatures falling into the upper teens by late afternoon. Winds becoming out of the NW by afternoon between 14-22mph possible gusts to 25mph.
Tomorrow night...very cold, cloudy skies becoming clear by midnight. NW Winds 10-15mph early tapering off after midnight. Low near 8.
And the reality:
Cloudy with Easterly and NE winds. A few flurries with a token 45 min period of light snow with no accumulation.
In 1992,1994, 2001, and 2003 we actually had forecasts within 24 hours of said event with winter storm warnings that ended with no snow.
Because the models back then would go nuts WITH THE LLJ INTO COLD SUPER DRY AIRMASSES while failing deeply on capturing the conveyor belt of dry Ohio valley air.
The models would drive the LLJ at times up to 100 miles further North than the adjacent frontal boundary.
When in reality the moisture and windy conveyor belt would veer well South of St. Louis.
This would focus the 750-900mb moisture and lift ussually no further North than a St. Gen line.
While along i44 the lift would be centered higher up in the 600-750mb level.
Well with a fat dry layer between 800mb and the surface.
The regional radar would show moderate snow all the way to Litchfield, IL while the nexrad 88 would show a huge ! BACKSIDE ! donut.
Lastly the most painful for me was in 1992. I was in 4th grade.
I believe it was in January.
Two days before the event the NWS issued a winter storm watch for the potential for 7-12" of snow.
One of the local news outlets was pumping out 10-15"s.
By 24 hours that was cut down to 6-8" and a winter storm warning for South of i70. Then my teacher told me after lunch that the weather people on the news at lunch time were saying the storm was looking to end up going way South of the earlier forecasts.
I'm guessing a failed phase.
And they lowered snow amounts to 3-5" but with a 90 percent chance. This was 4-4 hours before start.
By early evening we were down to 1-3" and a 70 percent chance.
That turned into 1" or less after midnight with a 50 percent chance.
I awoke the next day to tears and not a flake.
Infact the closest accumulation was 150 miles SE of STL.
Amazing the forecasts were for a foot 48 hours prior.
Had to be a failed modeled phase.
Probably the Northern stream ended up squashing heights while it brought snow to Chicago and the Southern stream therefor couldn't amplify at all.
We had something like that two Winters ago.
I think from like St. Gen to Belleville had 1-2".
But a few days before the models had the i44 corridor getting 3-6".
But as we got closer and closer the Northern energy sqauahed Heights.
And even tho the h5 vort max actually came out of the SW decently developed and organized.
The h7, h8, and surface lows were all bunched up just NW of the h5 track and the moisture was totally stunted.
Well end post way to Long
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Post by Frivolousz21 on May 14, 2020 9:45:40 GMT -6
Currently on metro about to cross river.
Very dark to the NNW with those super low white outflow clouds.
Partly sunny and humid here and clearing with haze to the SW
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Post by Frivolousz21 on May 14, 2020 9:46:20 GMT -6
Currently on metro about to cross river. Very dark to the NNW with those super low white outflow clouds. Partly sunny and humid here and clearing with haze to the SW Phat ! BACKSIDE ! lightening bolt towards the North
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on May 14, 2020 9:51:35 GMT -6
Had a brief shower and some pretty good rumbles of thunder. It seems to have all moved east of here now. Haven't checked the radar for any redevelopment
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Post by Frivolousz21 on May 14, 2020 10:00:55 GMT -6
Can't believe yesterday it was so cold out. Today it's like urban jungle humid
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Post by Snowstorm920 on May 14, 2020 10:03:30 GMT -6
There should be some storms out ahead of the overnight line this afternoon/evening. Short term models starting to pick up on this more now. HRRR and RAP get lots of popcorn stuff going this afternoon
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Post by birddog on May 14, 2020 10:51:17 GMT -6
Got 2 tenths out of that round. So much for mowing today unless the sun comes out strong and dries it up before the next spot shower.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on May 14, 2020 10:52:32 GMT -6
Didn’t take long. Storms firing out by Union
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Post by REB on May 14, 2020 11:10:43 GMT -6
Grass mowed. Last flower bed might not get in today. Fingers crossed.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on May 14, 2020 11:39:06 GMT -6
Slight risk over most of the area now.
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on May 14, 2020 11:44:29 GMT -6
Missed this last storm by less than a mile or two lol. I could hear the hail and rain but nothing here.
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padlur
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Ballwin(by the golf course)
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Post by padlur on May 14, 2020 12:03:26 GMT -6
10 minutes now of on-and-off pea-sized hail and fairly heavy rain in Ballwin.
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padlur
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Ballwin(by the golf course)
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Post by padlur on May 14, 2020 12:37:06 GMT -6
And look at that perfect split around downtown metro
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Post by Snowstorm920 on May 14, 2020 12:48:26 GMT -6
Worth keeping an eye on anything that forms in SW MO
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on May 14, 2020 14:18:00 GMT -6
I’d expect popcorn storms to start rapidly popping soon.
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Post by cozpregon on May 14, 2020 14:29:00 GMT -6
I’d expect popcorn storms to start rapidly popping soon. Lot of CAPE and little CIN- any storm may be able to have near severe hail.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on May 14, 2020 15:02:42 GMT -6
Big boomers here in Arnold from that cell just to the west
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on May 14, 2020 16:40:09 GMT -6
Pretty unimpressed so far.
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Post by red12 Hillsboro,mo on May 14, 2020 18:01:30 GMT -6
Why can't I get Tapatalk to login? I know I don't post much but it tells me token could not be verified
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on May 14, 2020 19:04:58 GMT -6
Ya, so far not too much around town. Lets see what develops this evening and overnight.
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twocat
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North St. Peters off Cave Springs
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Post by twocat on May 14, 2020 19:05:28 GMT -6
The National Weather Service has posted a lovely informational map with predictions for its service area and already the idiots are commenting. Is it going to hit Mascoutah? Bourbon? Ugh. What is wrong with these people? Is it really that hard to find where you live on a map? Rant over. As you were.
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padlur
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Ballwin(by the golf course)
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Post by padlur on May 14, 2020 21:59:53 GMT -6
Mean storm down at Eminence, slow moving too so the Jacks Fork is going to be well out of its banks. Works out that the campground at Alley Spring is closed because they would be evacuating.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on May 15, 2020 0:01:02 GMT -6
That is a big, mean looking line of storms on radar.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on May 15, 2020 0:25:05 GMT -6
Wonder if they will extend the watch? I guess we will see. They meationed that storms could weaken.
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Post by unclesam6 on May 15, 2020 2:58:20 GMT -6
Wow. I think I've just heard the loudest one in my life. Must have struck less than 1000 feet away. I've never felt a "bomb going off" more than I just did then. Heart was racing! Time to go back to sleep. 🤤🤤
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Post by Snowman99 on May 15, 2020 2:58:40 GMT -6
Probably had a couple solid near 50 mph gusts here. Good lightning and thunder now. Rain was blowing sideways, wind has settled now.
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