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Post by jeffcobeeman on Feb 13, 2022 12:52:45 GMT -6
I’d be good with a nice 4-8” quick hit Nope... ordered the snowplow yesterday. The models are just teasing.
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twocat
Junior Forecaster
North St. Peters off Cave Springs
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Post by twocat on Feb 13, 2022 12:53:59 GMT -6
Been here since 1986. 2 decent events in February and March of 2013. I like consistent winter not sporadic. Again, I am realistic about STL winters vs Nebraska. I just miss it. STL area has about 12 inches on the season and averages 16-19 inches depending on what historical time period you use. That doesn’t correlate with an “F.” I think a C- is fair since there was a big storm and January was pretty cold. If there is another storm that drops 2-4 or 3-6 inches this turns into a very average winter around STL from a snowfall perspective. 2012 was an F. I guess it depends on your winter grading system. Mine is still skewed from Nebraska winters and that's OK. I have gotten used to it here. Like the area sans winter!
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 13, 2022 13:00:14 GMT -6
certainly another interesting setup on euro days 9-10. Lol
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Post by landscaper on Feb 13, 2022 13:03:04 GMT -6
I would say C+ for St. Louis county and B- for St Charles county, one more decent storm or a couple small ones would definitely help bump things up. St Charles county is sitting 15-16” on the season, not to far off it’s normal total
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Post by landscaper on Feb 13, 2022 13:03:56 GMT -6
Yes I saw that too, if we could cash in on those two storms it would make for a pretty great winter
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 13, 2022 13:11:45 GMT -6
Euro control continues to look good, the ensembles continue to look meh
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Post by landscaper on Feb 13, 2022 13:16:37 GMT -6
Post the control snow map please
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 13, 2022 13:17:42 GMT -6
EPS favors a KC to Chi corridor for max snowfall.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Feb 13, 2022 13:21:14 GMT -6
Definitely another bowling ball showing up towards D10...this could end up being quite the month for the region in terms of total snowfall.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Feb 13, 2022 13:29:03 GMT -6
This will not be the same storm where everyone in the viewing area is happy. Hope you Yankees enjoy this one .
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Feb 13, 2022 13:38:51 GMT -6
Looks like some flurries or snow burst moving in from the north
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Post by weatherj on Feb 13, 2022 13:52:20 GMT -6
I fully understand grading this winter so far as a whole. I like to break into two parts: temps and snowfall. December for temps and snowfall was a big fat "F" hands down. I must respect the amazing overall warmth and the severe set ups here and across the country though...no shortage of action for sure, just the wrong type. January for me was a solid "B" for temps, but snowfall was a " D- " at best. We have yet to see how the whole month of February turns out but something tells me we will all be happy by months end. The winter storm the week before last already elevates the grade.
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Post by weatherj on Feb 13, 2022 13:55:20 GMT -6
This will not be the same storm where everyone in the viewing area is happy. Hope you Yankees enjoy this one . True indeed..especially for the far S sections. I'm even riding the line between something covering the ground and very little to nothing with an overall consensus of models taken at face value.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 13, 2022 14:36:47 GMT -6
I would call the 12z euro ensemble spread very large. Again, hard to have confidence in the operational run when the members have everything from a Green Bay storm to a glorified cold front.
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Post by landscaper on Feb 13, 2022 14:42:43 GMT -6
It’s overall mean low placement is very close to the GEFS mean low placement.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 13, 2022 14:48:50 GMT -6
It’s overall mean low placement is very close to the GEFS mean low placement. The problem with the mean is that it is less valuable when there is significant dispersion in the distribution. Looks like if you extrapolate the 18z nam it’s in the gfs camp.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 13, 2022 14:55:31 GMT -6
EPS favors a KC to Chi corridor for max snowfall. This actually matches the GEFS snowfall charts very well and lends at least some confidence to the idea of the most impactful snow running in a band from about Sedalia, MO... through about Quincy... up to around Kankakee. Still no need to dig too deep into the weeds on this... as the basic set-up is one of rain...some thunder on the front half to 2/3rds of the system...transition through a winter mix and ending as a burst of wet snow. As it stands right now... the chances of any impactful winter weather south/southeast of the STL metro looks pretty small at the moment. Iffy for the metro...and a good chance north of I-70 in Missouri. Once again... Pike County, MO and the Bowling Green area are in the line of fire. Perhaps some of our snow-lovers need to locate to Pike County
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bob
Junior Forecaster
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Post by bob on Feb 13, 2022 15:03:34 GMT -6
Has the storm been sampled?
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 13, 2022 15:06:58 GMT -6
Has the storm been sampled? not until probably tuesday night or wednesday
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Feb 13, 2022 15:19:18 GMT -6
The primary bundle of energy will come ashore by Monday PM or Tuesday AM. The kicker energy is giving models fits still and that won't really enter the RAOB network until Wednesday AM. But the spread should start to narrow with the next several runs.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 13, 2022 15:20:15 GMT -6
Currently, possible scenarios for the behavior of the cyclone range from a weaker, frontal or open wave cyclone the tracks at the surface near the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers to a track of a stronger, more mature cyclone that tracks at the surface across the CWA. The former solution, as the case 24 hours ago, still has the most support from EPS and GEFS members, which would favor impactful wintry precip over a large portion of the CWA as the undercutting sub-freezing air is allowed to progress more quickly southeastward. While the latter solution--a minority among latest guidance, would favor impactful wintry precip remaining confined to the northwestern third of the CWA and perhaps thunderstorms skirting the southeastern portion of CWA. Considering both possible scenarios, the EPS and GEFS derived probabilities of snowfall greater than 3" are highest across northeastern MO/west-central IL ranging from 20 to 50 percent.
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 13, 2022 15:21:25 GMT -6
On Wednesday, the stage becomes set for the widespread precip event of interest. Global model guidance are in good agreement that the aforementioned upper-level closed low will be ejected northeastward from the Desert Southwest through the Central/Southern Plains by an upstream upper-level shortwave trough moving equatorward, closely behind the closed low. Once ejected northeastward, this closed low is then forecast conjure low-level/surface cyclogenesis in the Southern Plains as it interacts with a northern stream upper-level trough digging into the northern half of the CONUS. Timing and amplitude differences in this northern stream trough have been highlight by both model guidance and WPC cluster analysis EOF patterns to be a source of forecast uncertainty, as it could play a pivotal role in the sharpness and poleward movement of the closed low. This track of the closed low will have implications for how quickly the attendant low-level/surface cyclone deepens/matures and exactly where it tracks.
Leading up to arrival of this cyclone to the CWA, details remain significantly clearer. A baroclinic zone/cold front is expected to progress southeastward across the Central Plains and Midwest through the day Wednesday. Strengthening ascent stemming from mid-level height falls as well as low to mid-level frontogenesis and isentropic lift will promote development of increasingly widespread rain in proximity to the cold front, that will shift southeastward into the CWA through the afternoon and evening. Some marginal elevated instability could also support a rumble or two of thunder. The leading edge of an increasingly deep layer of sub-freezing air rooted at the surface is expected to undercut the back edge of the rain, promoting a general transition from rain to, possibly, freezing rain and sleet, and then snow. This zone of wintry precip is expected to move into the northwestern CWA sometime Wednesday night. However, the subsequent evolution of precip; including type, amount, and distribution will be at the mercy of the exact track and maturity of low-level/surface cyclone progged to reach the mid- Mississippi River Valley around Thursday morning. However, these characteristics of the cyclone are plagued with uncertainty inherited from the interaction of the closed low with the northern stream trough.
Currently, possible scenarios for the behavior of the cyclone range from a weaker, frontal or open wave cyclone the tracks at the surface near the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers to a track of a stronger, more mature cyclone that tracks at the surface across the CWA. The former solution, as the case 24 hours ago, still has the most support from EPS and GEFS members, which would favor impactful wintry precip over a large portion of the CWA as the undercutting sub-freezing air is allowed to progress more quickly southeastward. While the latter solution--a minority among latest guidance, would favor impactful wintry precip remaining confined to the northwestern third of the CWA and perhaps thunderstorms skirting the southeastern portion of CWA. Considering both possible scenarios, the EPS and GEFS derived probabilities of snowfall greater than 3" are highest across northeastern MO/west-central IL ranging from 20 to 50 percent.
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 13, 2022 15:21:55 GMT -6
dammit 920
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 13, 2022 15:22:52 GMT -6
You'll learn one day
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 13, 2022 15:23:43 GMT -6
18z Icon is actually too far south for STL. Hits the southern counties nicely.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Feb 13, 2022 15:38:51 GMT -6
certainly another interesting setup on euro days 9-10. Lol Two more weeks... well, almost.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 13, 2022 16:04:51 GMT -6
18z gfs is wagons north
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Post by landscaper on Feb 13, 2022 16:05:30 GMT -6
Gfs remains a strong cutter, we are 55 rain at 6am on Thursday with the GFS and Euro and Gem have us 32 and below with ice… I’m surprised there is this much spread in things
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 13, 2022 17:22:37 GMT -6
18z GFS is still an amplified outlier compared to its ensemble camp, but the GEFS as a whole did jump N
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Post by ndolan387 on Feb 13, 2022 17:23:20 GMT -6
Gfs remains a strong cutter, we are 55 rain at 6am on Thursday with the GFS and Euro and Gem have us 32 and below with ice… I’m surprised there is this much spread in things Yeah this dipsee doodle pattern were in right now is throwing the models fits. Highly variable. Lots of possible outcomes, but I agree somewhat that there should be a clearer consensus being only 3ish days out. Maybe tomorrow we will have a better idea.
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