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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 21, 2023 22:52:19 GMT -6
Maybe there's a reason they didn't include the Ukmet in the NBM lol
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Post by weatherj on Jan 21, 2023 22:53:04 GMT -6
It looks like it has an enhanced band right along I-70 in IL of 4-6". I know that's obviously not to be taken at face value, but I wonder if it's suggesting such banding somewhere within the CWA is likely.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Jan 21, 2023 22:58:08 GMT -6
I generally take a pause if the UK is out on its own... it is an excellent model with a far better track record than the GFS.
But it does look squirly. This system is a textbook 4 corners/southern low... Yes, it may open up... but some or best snows come from just this kind of setup. I will tuck it away on its own for now.. but not totally discounting what it's saying.
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Post by jmg378s on Jan 21, 2023 23:04:31 GMT -6
Looks like the difference with the UKMET is that it is flatter initially at 300mb with a weaker outbound jet streak. The 300mb wave moves out ahead of the 500mb low fairly quick and leaves it in the left entrance region of the jet streak squashing the 500mb wave.
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Post by landscaper on Jan 21, 2023 23:11:27 GMT -6
Even if we only get 2-4” that would be pretty nice looking with it being a wet snow sticking to everything, obviously more than 3” covers the grass nicely would be best. It will likely melt fairly quickly but should be around on Wednesday morning into the afternoon for sure .
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jan 21, 2023 23:20:31 GMT -6
Nice, steady, light snow here in Mascoutah.
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Jan 21, 2023 23:21:23 GMT -6
Snowing monster flakes …. We got a dusting in about 5 minutes
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jan 21, 2023 23:23:03 GMT -6
Flake size has increased drastically!
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jan 21, 2023 23:28:03 GMT -6
I can confirm a light steady pretty snow with good size flakes in Perryville with a coating on the grass and roofs. Won't amount to much but it is nice to see a gentle snow falling for the first time in a while.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jan 21, 2023 23:33:47 GMT -6
Pretty good in Mascoutah
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Post by Farmtown WX on Jan 21, 2023 23:37:31 GMT -6
Meanwhile... snow is falling at a steady pace in Farmington right now... and it looks like the ground may be getting a little white. Yep, nice little dusting already on the ground!
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Post by bororug on Jan 21, 2023 23:47:50 GMT -6
Light dusting w/ light snow falling in rural Festus
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Post by Chris Higgins on Jan 21, 2023 23:53:49 GMT -6
Pretty good in Mascoutah Hey Weax... Can I grab this for the crew to show in the morning? If so, I need you to sign one of our fancy permission slips! I will shoot you a private message.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jan 21, 2023 23:56:59 GMT -6
Pretty good in Mascoutah Hey Weax... Can I grab this for the crew to show in the morning? If so, I need you to sign one of our fancy permission slips! I will shoot you a private message. Absolutely!
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Post by Chris Higgins on Jan 22, 2023 0:26:32 GMT -6
Euro is west with the surface low... and right over Memphis..maybe a couple of miles east. Other centers are about the same and line up well.
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Post by weatherj on Jan 22, 2023 0:30:21 GMT -6
Snowing decent here now. The Euro looks pretty good for the whole cwa to my untrained eye. I would think the heaviest qpf would need adjusted 25-50 miles NW. It seems nearly every model wants to hug the axis tighter to the features than what would normally be seen.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Jan 22, 2023 1:34:40 GMT -6
The EPS looks solid.
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Post by weatherj on Jan 22, 2023 1:42:31 GMT -6
A light dusting on the grass here. That EPS does look good as does the GEFS. I think everyone else crapped out for the night, lol. Overall I think trends are looking good for 72 hrs out.
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Post by Labrat-O'Fallon IL on Jan 22, 2023 2:33:01 GMT -6
Dusting on roofs, cars, mailboxes, and grass. Also, insomnia sucks.
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Post by weatherj on Jan 22, 2023 2:46:28 GMT -6
It looks like the 6z NAM is quite nice for the area. I know we are still too far out for its reliability, but very consistent with its 00z run.
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Post by weatherj on Jan 22, 2023 4:05:30 GMT -6
The 6z GFS continues its consistency as well. It really hammers the S/E counties, but feel it would be expanded NW to include the metro as well. It seems as though the sharp NW edge is starting to show itself.
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Post by Tilawn on Jan 22, 2023 4:09:31 GMT -6
.LONG TERM... (Monday Night through Saturday) Issued at 327 AM CST Sun Jan 22 2023
On Monday night, a closed upper low over the Desert Southwest will begin its trek east and will be the focus of our forecast through Wednesday. This upper low will move from West Texas on Tuesday morning through the Mid-Mississippi Valley on Wednesday while the associated upper trough becomes increasingly negatively tilted as is moves into the region. Strong cyclonic vorticity advection will support rapid cyclogenesis as the surface low moves from south Texas toward the Lower Ohio River Valley. The cyclone deepen further as it approaches our region, bolstered by ample jet level divergence associated with coupled jet streaks. Just ahead of the intensifying low, strong moist isentropic ascent along the warm conveyor belt will push precipitation into our forecast area beginning Tuesday evening. Precipitation will continue through Wednesday morning as the frontogenetical band on the back side of the low swings through forecast area, tapering off in the afternoon.
Guidance continues to highlight surface temperatures near or just above freezing throughout much of this event, with the rest of the profile remaining below freezing. Despite surface temps a few degrees freezing, I expect the combination of favorable profiles above the surface and dynamic cooling associated with at least moderate precipitation rates will allow much of the expected precipitation to fall as snow.
As for amounts, ensemble mean QPF continues to range from around 0.25" in NE MO to about 0.75" in SE MO and southern IL where the strongest forcing will be found. There is still some variability amongst the ensembles, with roughly 0.4" separating the reasonable low and high-end solutions (the 10th and 90th percentiles), likely due to differences in the low track. Even in the low end scenario, much of the area is likely to see at least light snow accumulations. Our current forecast is close to the ensemble mean, which utilizing a snow-to-liquid ratios just below climatology, highlights advisory-level snow amounts (3-6"). The higher end solutions would obviously push us into warning criteria for portions of the area.
While some uncertainty remains in the snowfall forecast, at this point I`m confident that we`ll see accumulating snowfall across much of the area. Going further, there`s a better chance than not that we`ll end up with at least an winter weather advisory across portions the area, and there is a potential for significant travel impacts, especially to Wednesday morning`s commute. I anticipate the difference between the high and low end scenarios to decrease over the coming days, and we should be able to narrow our forecast as that occurs.
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Post by Tilawn on Jan 22, 2023 4:10:10 GMT -6
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Post by weatherj on Jan 22, 2023 4:22:15 GMT -6
If the latest runs are to come to fruition, that's going to be way low. I know there are plenty of factors to consider and the potential for melting and compaction, but if the GFS/NAM are right this won't be weakening as it goes by. As always, the NWS is playing it conservative and will follow the data and update which is the smartest move. It will be interesting to see the 12z data as full sampling should occur by then. Maybe the Ukmet and Euro will trend stronger as well.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Jan 22, 2023 5:59:27 GMT -6
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Jan 22, 2023 6:04:36 GMT -6
Had about 1/2 inch of snow on the ground when I went to bed ….. she gone ……lol
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 22, 2023 6:12:58 GMT -6
Had a light dusting in St.Peters this morning, and good trends on the models overnight. A 25 to 50 mile shift north and most are going to be happy. All looks well
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 22, 2023 6:15:09 GMT -6
That snowfall forecast by the NWS only goes out to 12z Wed...hence the low amounts.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 22, 2023 7:30:17 GMT -6
Models continue to look good for the Metro...amounts have trended downward a bit with the wave opening up quicker but otherwise the consensus track is still very favorable for snowfall for much of the area and it leaves room for some NW adjustment which I'd still expect as we get closer.
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Post by WeatherLes on Jan 22, 2023 7:56:23 GMT -6
Front yard is green and the back yard has spots of snow on the ground and deck. Snowing very lightly here in Barnhart.
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