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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 20, 2023 19:11:55 GMT -6
heard it's going to snow in Minneapolis
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 20, 2023 20:16:52 GMT -6
heard it's going to snow in Minneapolis Might be more than Cape got in 1977
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 20, 2023 20:21:36 GMT -6
might as well follow minneapolis. Lawd knows there's absolutely nothing here in sight. if things go as planned, they may need to issue a blizzard warning at least for ourlying areas up there, especially for that second, and more robust wave.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 20, 2023 20:55:14 GMT -6
heard it's going to snow in Minneapolis Might be more than Cape got in 1977 Or more than St. Louis got in 1982. I'm sure you're trying to bait me in. Technically, you're right. It WILL be more than what Cape got in the blizzard of 1977, which dumped 11 inches of snow but also met the full blizzard criteria. You probably meant 1979, but all 3 of the winters in the late 1970s were amazing to Missouri. I had heard of classmates venturing out on the Mississippi River ice gorge in 1977 for a bonfire. I didn't partake in that craziness (although I've done some other crazy things in high school). I think that was the start of my penny poker fun at friends houses. Not until this past year at my class reunion, did I realize who had gone out there - some classmates whom I never suspected would do a thing like that. Being out of school for an entire week each of those 3 years gave us some opportunities to do some crazy things. It is almost never heard of to miss an entire week of school back then...maybe some outlying school districts. We always laughed when Perryville would cancel classes - the next statement was always "and the Meyer bus line will not run". That always struck me as funny because of course the bus line isn't going to run...there's no school. I guess in reality the Meyer bus line served other purposes. Maybe Perryville was all big city and had mass transit, but I don't know.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 20, 2023 22:28:58 GMT -6
I'm not sure what is more impressive... The amount of snow being forecast or the rock solid, model consistency across ALL models for this even many days in advance. If we had that kind of consistency for a storm in St. Louis it would vaporize 48 hours in advance and cut north of get suppressed to the south. There are no signs of any of that happening in this case. It really would be an astonishingly accurate model performance if it holds up!
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 20, 2023 22:31:40 GMT -6
And of course... that much snow at this time of year over such a broad area of the upper Mississippi Valley ups the ante for spring flooding on the Mississippi River. Especially if we throw one or two heavy spring rains on top. THANK GOODNESS our rivers are currently running so low down this way. But that will definitely change in as we move into Spring.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Feb 21, 2023 6:16:39 GMT -6
WOW!!! From the NWS Blizzard Warning for Minnesota (and my brother) this morning...
"This is expected to reach the top 5 heaviest snow storms."
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 21, 2023 8:45:22 GMT -6
I checked the qpf for the twin cities and models were suggesting somewhere around 1.3 as of last night. The wfo afd speaks of high ratios, but im not too sold on the high ratios due to the winds. Not sure their physics are different than ours. It does appear to be a healthy dendritic growth zone though, and they dont have an arch, so yeah, they could be in for it.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 21, 2023 9:00:36 GMT -6
Meanwhile back at the ranch. Looking at a severe potential overnight with high winds, plus i see 2 more opportunities in the extended into march. Spring has sprung it appears, at least in terms for severe potential.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 21, 2023 9:10:34 GMT -6
12z rgem has nearly 3.5 inches of freezing rain in southern Michigan.
Wow
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 21, 2023 9:16:57 GMT -6
NAO is tanking going into March. AO is trending negatively going into March.
Models showing significant Greenland block developing (recall December cold).
Things will get interesting one more time.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Feb 21, 2023 9:21:01 GMT -6
That EC run I looked at must have been a fluke for MN...the GOOFUS is way more robust and certainly supports the 18"+ forecasts I'm seeing. Must be nice.
Closer to home, I see that the SPC jumped on board with the strong/severe storm threat tomorrow. Thinking there may be a few hailers developing along/N of the warm front before another fast moving around of storms sweeps through mid-day or early afternoon with a wind and tornado threat.
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 21, 2023 9:22:22 GMT -6
The Pacific has to cooperate. It hasnt all winter. No reason to believe it will next time. My guess for MSP final snow tally is 18.4" My guess for STL snow the rest of the season: Trace
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 21, 2023 9:59:49 GMT -6
I think with the nao, the potential is there for one or two once in a lifetime n'oreasters to impact the the big east coast cities.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 21, 2023 10:00:17 GMT -6
The euro weeklies do look cold east of the Rockies starting in mid March.
We’ve seen them sing that song before only to flip to warm as we get closer
Time will tell
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 21, 2023 10:08:42 GMT -6
The euro weeklies do look cold east of the Rockies starting in mid March. We’ve seen them sing that song before only to flip to warm as we get closer Time will tell -AO, -NAO, and -EPO on the weeklies is what I read. Nice combo
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 21, 2023 10:31:02 GMT -6
Can never underestimate the value of persistence in these circumstances. I agree time will tell. Obviously its interesting to see how it will play out. Certainly a night or two of hard freeze not out of the question. But then again, it never is.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 21, 2023 10:41:44 GMT -6
The back-to-back major SSW events are going to break the pattern.
Tropospheric coupling is just taking until the beginning of March.
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 21, 2023 11:00:01 GMT -6
I'll hold my breath as I turn blue.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Feb 21, 2023 11:05:25 GMT -6
The euro weeklies do look cold east of the Rockies starting in mid March. We’ve seen them sing that song before only to flip to warm as we get closer Time will tell -AO, -NAO, and -EPO on the weeklies is what I read. Nice combo Not really seeing the -EPO but the AO looks to flip negative with a strong west-based -NAO setting up according to the KING. This looks like a lite version of what we saw in December.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 21, 2023 11:10:18 GMT -6
-AO, -NAO, and -EPO on the weeklies is what I read. Nice combo Not really seeing the -EPO but the AO looks to flip negative with a strong west-based -NAO setting up according to the KING. This looks like a lite version of what we saw in December. Looks like -1 value around March 5th for the EPO.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Feb 21, 2023 11:20:54 GMT -6
It's close to getting negative by the anomalies but the stubborn troffing over BC isn't really what you want to see for a -EPO and it's downstream effect. It does look active though and the -NAO should help with cold penetration deeper into the US so at least there's some potential there. It seems like models are starting to pick up on the effects of the SSW event(s) finally.
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Post by ajd446 on Feb 21, 2023 11:35:20 GMT -6
Spc has the metro in the slight risk now.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 21, 2023 11:43:08 GMT -6
Spc has the metro in the slight risk now. Mainly a wind threat, but also a non zero tornado threat per the discussion
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Post by ElburnDave on Feb 21, 2023 11:52:11 GMT -6
My son goes to school in Madison, SD. He was home for the weekend, but is flying back this afternoon. His blizzard warning begins tonight at 12am, with a forecast of 12-22", winds to 50. Slightly jealous!
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Post by cardsnweather on Feb 21, 2023 11:57:57 GMT -6
Just 8.5 months until a potential November surprise snow!
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Post by jmg378s on Feb 21, 2023 12:03:05 GMT -6
Some of these CAMs have up to a couple hundred j/kg of 0-3km CAPE tomorrow as a squall line moves through the metro.
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Post by cass81 on Feb 21, 2023 12:07:27 GMT -6
We experienced the Jan ‘82 two day event… 17.4 and 20.0 inches. Shoveled the roof multiple times. Only things moving were snowmobiles taking medical personnel to hospitals and booze runs. So quiet and eery… I’ve got traffic cams loaded watching the before and after. Always fun to watch MNDOT plowing the interstates.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 21, 2023 12:10:07 GMT -6
Just 8.5 months until a potential November surprise snow! Yep rt around veterans day. Then its split flow with poor timing of energy and cold air, due to fast westerlies. In january, pineapple express kicks in for 5 weeks bringing us warmth. When it gets cold in feb, its sunny and chilly, while we watch a band of snow from dallas to little rock and memphis. El nino coming soon to a winter near you.
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Post by maddogchief on Feb 21, 2023 12:56:06 GMT -6
March “should” see a full scale pattern change. When, who knows. A flip to cold, also who knows. But I do expect noticeable, sustained changes one way or the other.
The drivers of our incredibly stable, albeit crappy (IMBY) winter pattern are breaking down as we speak. ENSO, per the last discussion is all but neutral now and we have the SSW that is going to disrupt some things.
We will see what the long range discussion is today. They’ve been pretty spot on this year with their predictions.
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