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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 19, 2014 16:27:09 GMT -6
 I just love reading how all the believers who know enough science to believe in evolution find a way to make evolution fit their belief. It is creative to say the least. Maybe they are God in disguise. People have been interpreting the bible for thousands of year. The bible is the one book, that the Author is not around to tell us what the real meaning it. You can ask several preachers the same question on the same scripture reading, and you will get a different explanation for it. Sure, the main point may be the same point, but the explanation will be different. There are only a few straight and forward points that are hardcore written in stone... Literally. Or written in RED. After that, then most of the Bible can be interpreted however a person wants. Who knows, maybe that is why God had the bible written the way it was, so many eyes can apply it to life and make humans better. IDK, I didn't write it.
But there is enough information out there that humans can not deny there is a form of Evolution in the books. Did we walk out of a puddle of mucky water? Who knows what happened outside The Garden of Eden. I will give you an example. After Eve bit into the apple of knowledge, God sent them out of the Garden. Told them "Be fruitful and multiply." Now, how will they do that. Sure, them two can have kids. But what happens from there? Sure the Bible teaches who Begot who. But never said where these individuals came from. So it leads to believe that there HAD to be other humans out there that the children "Got" with to create other Humans. Otherwise, we would all be, well, I don't want to type the word, because I am sure it would be censored. But, if there is no other humans out there, then the children would only have one option to "Multiply". So that is why I believe there had to be something going on outside the Garden.
Point 2, when God was tired of the Sin on the earth, he told Noah to Build an Arc. Get two of each animal, and his family. He did, and the earth was flooded. Wiping out what was left. Now, that was on that Arc? We don't know. Mabey there was still some creature evolving on there. That would be the next generation of humans. No one knows.
To say "find a way to make evolution fit their belief" is incorrect. We are not "Making it fit". We are explaining to those who have no clue of the Bible, why we believe that it could happen.
And by the post you put, I would have to say you have no bases to even start from. You are basing on you lack of knowledge of what the scripture reads and is taught.
Also your last comment, goes against one of the 10 commandments... Lets see if you can figure out which one...
Lord, can't you take a joke? OK, call me a false witness or whatever. As for your take on things I was there about 40 years ago as a teen. Now I would jump and say "Look folks, Evolution is not a disproof of creation, but a sound backing of it. I mean, what do you think "birth of a species" means? How do you think it happens? Some call it chance.........." Now, did that sound just like you? |
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Mar 20, 2014 2:58:52 GMT -6
Post by lizard7151971 on Mar 20, 2014 2:58:52 GMT -6
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Mar 20, 2014 4:25:17 GMT -6
Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 4:25:17 GMT -6
It will always be a theory. Things like that, which are not as simple as a math problem, are not ever to become law. That does not make them any less respected by science though. The respect for evolution has become stronger with time. No rational scientist does not believe it. It has reached the point of being accepted as fact. Rapid change is possible through mutation. Mutation is not much different than creation really. When mutation occurs "gaps" are bound to be in the records. There will always be "missing links". It is part of the nature of evolution itself. Also pay attention to birth of a species. It happens. Once again this is also equitable to creation. Most folks think there was some gradual thing. It may not have been as gradual they they think. You need to watch it. Check out this search and read a bit about law vs theory. |
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Mar 20, 2014 5:06:00 GMT -6
Post by Webster Groves on Mar 20, 2014 5:06:00 GMT -6
Again, there is need to understand that "scientific theory" is not guessing or speculating - it has a real meaning and it based on measurable data, observation, etc. To say it's "just a theory" is to completely misunderstand what scientific theory is.
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Mar 20, 2014 6:29:51 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 6:29:51 GMT -6
Lizard the discussion is over. It's obvious you're not far from the dust to human thing anyway. Although you claimed we just didn't come from mud you might as well say we did because you obviously don't see a link to previous species. That stupid remark about the Silverback just shows how ignorant you are of the subject.
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Mar 20, 2014 6:55:41 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 6:55:41 GMT -6
In the scorecard of life I'm sure man has killed more Silverbacks then Silverbacks have killed man. Lizard skip the cliches and come up with some original thinking
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Mar 20, 2014 7:19:40 GMT -6
Post by lizard7151971 on Mar 20, 2014 7:19:40 GMT -6
Lizard the discussion is over. It's obvious you're not far from the dust to human thing anyway. Although you claimed we just didn't come from mud you might as well say we did because you obviously don't see a link to previous species. That stupid remark about the Silverback just shows how ignorant you are of the subject. And your right, the discussion is over... I watched the show last night. And according to that show, I will be on the Maury Povach show to see if I am the father of a butterfly. There are MANY Gaps in the evolution theory... I was hoping that we could refrain from calling each other "Stupid" or "Dumb". You just proven that there is a huge gap in Evolution. T.Y. |
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Mar 20, 2014 8:23:32 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 8:23:32 GMT -6
Good riddance, you are a creationist in disguise. Nice try
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Mar 20, 2014 8:25:18 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 8:25:18 GMT -6
You probably think intelligent design is science good for you, you know nothing about science
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Mar 20, 2014 8:28:58 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 8:28:58 GMT -6
Lizard there are gaps in the evolutionary trail but the theory has never been more sound, understand that. These gaps are explained if you really pay attention to the theory.
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Mar 20, 2014 8:32:25 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 8:32:25 GMT -6
Mods, feel free to delete this is this just going to be getting become a discussion on religion obviously.
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Mar 20, 2014 8:33:05 GMT -6
Post by lizard7151971 on Mar 20, 2014 8:33:05 GMT -6
You probably think intelligent design is science good for you, you know nothing about science I could have sworn you said the conversation was over... But yet, you keep yappin'... Enough yappin', get to steppin' Let those of us who can have an adult conversation W/O the name calling, talk about this. |
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Mar 20, 2014 11:47:01 GMT -6
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Post by dschreib on Mar 20, 2014 11:47:01 GMT -6
So, Phil...if I find scientists who dispute evolution, does that make it "not accepted as fact", or does that only work with the climate debate? I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your thoughts on either matter, I'm just curious if you apply the same standards to all of your arguments.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:03:02 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 13:03:02 GMT -6
When it comes to climate change find me the theory that is close to being accepted as fact. There is none. Evolution had been put through the wringer of time and there's not a scientist on this earth to does not say it has been proven. Still more is being found out about it but the theory has stood the test of science.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:05:46 GMT -6
Post by Webster Groves on Mar 20, 2014 13:05:46 GMT -6
When it comes to climate change find me the theory that is close to being accepted as fact. There is none. Evolution had been put through the wringer of time and there's not a scientist on this earth to does not say it has been proven. Still more is being found out about it but the theory has stood the test of science. Accepted as scientific fact by climatologists: 1) The earth is warming 2) Humans significantly contribute |
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Mar 20, 2014 13:06:11 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 13:06:11 GMT -6
What I meant was not a credible scienist to dispute it. The theory about climate change is so far from being specifically nail down that it isn't even agreed upon by many scientists. The broad question we could cause change is probably agreed upon but the amount is not even close to being agreed upon. These two theories are not even in the same league
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Mar 20, 2014 13:08:20 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 13:08:20 GMT -6
Webster the word significant is so ambiguous it doesn't even belong in science. That's from the opinion papers it isI not scientifically proven
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Mar 20, 2014 13:11:54 GMT -6
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Post by dschreib on Mar 20, 2014 13:11:54 GMT -6
Are scientists "credible" only because you agree with them?
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Mar 20, 2014 13:12:59 GMT -6
Post by Webster Groves on Mar 20, 2014 13:12:59 GMT -6
It's pointless to discuss/debate scientific theory with people who use the bible as a science book; that's arguing faith v. science and it's just an exercise in futility.
There is a small minority who find the fact of evolution to be hostile towards their religious beliefs. Unfortunate, but just because they don't believe it/can't accept it, doesn't mean it's not true. Most people who consider themselves religious accept evolution. To argue against a point of evolution - any point - by saying "the bible says..." should be end of discussion as there is no hope of having a meaningful scientific discussion. It's beyond astonishing that we're having this conversation in 21st Century America.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:13:29 GMT -6
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Post by dschreib on Mar 20, 2014 13:13:29 GMT -6
"Many" is pretty vague, too. How many? I need to know how many scientists to find who dispute evolution.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:15:11 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 13:15:11 GMT -6
Lizard, would you care to explain your theory about Silverbacks vs man?
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Mar 20, 2014 13:15:54 GMT -6
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Post by dschreib on Mar 20, 2014 13:15:54 GMT -6
Web, I agree with you. I see no reason why religion and evolution can't coexist. Closed-minded people on both sides shout loudest, though, and often reduce meaningful discussion to name-calling.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:16:50 GMT -6
Post by Webster Groves on Mar 20, 2014 13:16:50 GMT -6
Webster the word significant is so ambiguous it doesn't even belong in science. That's from the opinion papers it isI not scientifically proven Again, using measurable data, observation and accepted scientific theory, it is. You are free to reject it, but that doesn't change the fact. Although, I wish dschreib would not have shifted the focus of this thread to Climate Change, I understand his point (and actually had the same thought). |
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Mar 20, 2014 13:18:38 GMT -6
Post by Webster Groves on Mar 20, 2014 13:18:38 GMT -6
Web, I agree with you. I see no reason why religion and evolution can't coexist. Closed-minded people on both sides shout loudest, though, and often reduce meaningful discussion to name-calling. Actually, it's a pretty small, vocal minority who insist upon teaching religion in the science classroom. |
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Mar 20, 2014 13:23:55 GMT -6
Post by Webster Groves on Mar 20, 2014 13:23:55 GMT -6
There is a Cosmos app for Android that is pretty cool.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:26:00 GMT -6
Post by lizard7151971 on Mar 20, 2014 13:26:00 GMT -6
I watched the latest episode last night, before i went to bed. And I would say, that the term "Evolution" was kinda loosely used. When I heard it was used in it, I was all alert to see what the explanation was going to be. After watching it, I realized it was more "Adaptation". How nature will slowly change the structure of the DNA to fit the surroundings. Our bodies do this everyday. I know when I started my job, I could not walk into the dairy cooler W/O a heavy coat on. Now, I walk in there with a T-Shirt on and can be in there for a few hours (Now the ice cream freezer is another thing). I really didn't see anything so offensive on the show. Most they talked about was natural selection. And once again, that happens everyday.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:26:42 GMT -6
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Post by guyfromhecker on Mar 20, 2014 13:26:42 GMT -6
Manny is probably the big unknown cause most of them don't bother talking about it no more. It doesn't really help in the waste your breath on that subject. I know the IPCC and other climate groups will kick out scientist who do not toe the line, they are not interested in dissenting opinions. In fact the defense is so strong it drives a lot of people out of the field, including me. I studied it but if you're not interested in doing studies to prove this silly notion then they don't want to have anything to do with you. I don't need to run off to do studies to know that it's warmer, it's a fact. What caused it? who the hell knows? Probably a whole bunch of things but the recipe is more complex than they put forward. The arrogance of climate scientists astounds me. It is such a young science but they act like they have it all figured out. What an amazing bunch of geniuses. By the way, I own no oil stock, I am a Democrat most of the time, and I could give a rats ! BACKSIDE ! about an oil company.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:40:57 GMT -6
Post by Webster Groves on Mar 20, 2014 13:40:57 GMT -6
Unlike the non-arrogance of people who are not experts, have very little training in the field, are not practicing scientists, believing they have figured out something that 98% of the world's climatologists have somehow failed to see, despite having no peer-reviewed research, no independent credible research...nothing. Got it.
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Mar 20, 2014 14:00:01 GMT -6
Post by Webster Groves on Mar 20, 2014 14:00:01 GMT -6
Hopefully, we can steer this thread back to Cosmos-related posts.
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Mar 20, 2014 14:08:13 GMT -6
Post by lizard7151971 on Mar 20, 2014 14:08:13 GMT -6
Here is a Twitter post Seth put in response to a tweet to him
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I just love reading how all the believers who know enough science to believe in evolution find a way to make evolution fit their belief. It is creative to say the least. Maybe they are God in disguise. 
