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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Apr 4, 2018 12:09:46 GMT -6
Pretty weird hearing lawn mowers running on my culdesac between snowstorms. Btw, i know the nws disco mentioned growing season had started in the southern counties. But neighbors have been mowing for a couple weeks here. Im guessing they fertilized because im able to put off mowing for a little longer...what constitutes the beginning of growing season? I was going to trim my trees in february but i noticed my birch had started budding then so i decided not to.
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Post by bororug on Apr 4, 2018 12:12:01 GMT -6
12z Euro out?
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Apr 4, 2018 12:16:26 GMT -6
12z Euro has moved north and targets metro Stl.
Nice
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Post by STGOutdoors on Apr 4, 2018 12:20:20 GMT -6
Pretty weird hearing lawn mowers running on my culdesac between snowstorms. Btw, i know the nws disco mentioned growing season had started in the southern counties. But neighbors have been mowing for a couple weeks here. Im guessing they fertilized because im able to put off mowing for a little longer...what constitutes the beginning of growing season? I was going to trim my trees in february but i noticed my birch had started budding then so i decided not to. Not sure what exactly begins growing season. Other than some patches of grass in my backyard that my dog "fertilizes," it isn't too tall. Those areas are a nice deep green and about 8 inches high. Maybe I should start selling this all natural fertilizer! I do use it on my garden...why not, I pay for the dog food after all. Some shrubs have small green leaves and many trees are trying to flower. The sun this afternoon is getting some of them to open even though it feels like January outside.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Apr 4, 2018 12:23:44 GMT -6
12z Euro is high end advisory or low end warning.
Damn.
Area between Cape and Stl gets hammered.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Apr 4, 2018 12:33:26 GMT -6
12z Euro is high end advisory or low end warning. Damn. Area between Cape and Stl gets hammered. Yea, gotta consider sleet for my area cutting into that significantly though. Would still be an incredibly rare storm. Can you believe we are talking about heavy sleet and snow in two days for April 6/7?
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Apr 4, 2018 12:36:46 GMT -6
12z Euro is high end advisory or low end warning. Damn. Area between Cape and Stl gets hammered. Yea, gotta consider sleet for my area cutting into that significantly though. Would still be an incredibly rare storm. Can you believe we are talking about heavy sleet and snow in two days for April 6/7? It's pretty cool. I do hope the Euro trends a bit colder at the onset. This run it starts a bit warm. By the back half of the event things are pretty much January like though lol.
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Post by landscaper on Apr 4, 2018 12:45:25 GMT -6
I think the Euro coming north was great, there is a lot of model consistency at this point, I think the metro is in a great spot for a nice storm.
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Post by bdgwx on Apr 4, 2018 12:55:41 GMT -6
We are now fully inside the 3 day window for this event. At this point I think we can say with reasonable confidence that a WWA is certainly possible for some subset of the region from say 1 county north of I-70 to 1 county south of US-60. I should point out that there were 2 members from the GEFS that were actually north of I-70. None were south of US-60 at least for a mostly snow event anyway. Obviously there will be a mixed bag of precip types the closer you get to the MO/AR border that may cut into snowfall totals. I've also been noticing that with the Euro and GFS the op runs have tended to have a south bias compared to their ensemble means. The next op cycle then nudges north a hair to match the previous cycle's ensemble mean. If that trend continues than maybe, just maybe, we can get this to keep nudging north a hair. I'll leave it at that because I'm already toeing the line with wishcasting on that last statement
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Post by cozpregon on Apr 4, 2018 13:25:59 GMT -6
Euro briefly closes off the low... near the Lake, then opens it up as it move east/southeast. Guessing... the eventual track looks like from the Lake to near/just north of Farmington. Heaviest snow will be north of the this track- once you get south... mixing will be an issue.
Looking at the snow chart in relation to the 700... I would think it would be 25-50 north of where it places the max snow band.
So I guess... what I am saying, this track is good for the metro and south into Jeffco towards Park Hills
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Post by dgl1004-Moberly, MO on Apr 4, 2018 13:26:55 GMT -6
Any idea on timing with this storm? I am leaving Moberly at 3:30 PM on Friday to head to St. Peters.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Apr 4, 2018 13:30:37 GMT -6
Whats the prospect for thundersnow?
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Post by bdgwx on Apr 4, 2018 13:57:02 GMT -6
And here are the 12Z EPS and GEFS ensemble means. A blend here might suggest an axis from from Jefferson City to Festus generally along and maybe south of US-50 for the best potential. I'm not really focused on amounts yet; just trying to get a feel for where and how the orientation of the axis of heaviest QPF is lining up via global modeling.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 4, 2018 14:04:18 GMT -6
Heres the 15z SREF 12 hour mean snowfall. They did really well with the Easter system and the placement of the fgen band
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 4, 2018 14:08:48 GMT -6
Whats the prospect for thundersnow? I dont see any instability in the column so pretty low
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Apr 4, 2018 14:10:18 GMT -6
Heres the 15z SREF 12 hour mean snowfall. They did really well with the Easter system and the placement of the fgen band Mean is increasing each run. I can support this trend lol. There is good clustering in the 3-4 inch range. 8 members are 6-10 inches. Not bad to have 25-30% going for glory.
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Post by bdgwx on Apr 4, 2018 14:13:08 GMT -6
And from the 15Z SREF we have Union getting bullseyed. Yeah, I admit, that's a little suspicious, but it is what it is. We're still probably too far out to give the mesoscale ensemble too much weighting, but it is generally inline with the model consensus. The interesting thing to note with the 15Z cycle is that the members fall into 3 different camps: 1) duds 2) realists and 3) big boys. Personally I think "big boy" totals are less likely than what the SREF is objectively saying. The last 4 cycles of the SREF have been trending up with the totals. Like I said this might be over doing it because of the "big boys". And you can see the members clustering into 3 different camps.
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Post by bdgwx on Apr 4, 2018 14:14:13 GMT -6
Sorry guys. You posted the SREF while I was still working up my post. I'll go ahead and leave mine since I included screenshots of the plumes.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Apr 4, 2018 14:21:25 GMT -6
Just a quick look at the 500mb vort/hts does not support the QPF placement from the Euro...it supports a shade further north...pretty much in line with the SREF output....or an axis from Jefferson City to Festus...maybe even a bit more to the north.
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Post by bdgwx on Apr 4, 2018 14:23:15 GMT -6
Just a quick look at the 500mb vort/hts does not support the QPF placement from the Euro...it supports a shade further north...pretty much in line with the SREF output....or an axis from Jefferson City to Festus...maybe even a bit more to the north. Yep, I'm thinking along US-50 and into JeffCo is a good first guess.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Apr 4, 2018 14:38:05 GMT -6
18Z Nam is a crusher for much of us.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Apr 4, 2018 14:38:14 GMT -6
18z nam coming in ANGRY lol.
Death band.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Apr 4, 2018 14:38:15 GMT -6
I really hope the NAM is wrong. The northern trend is starting to show its hand now.
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Post by bdgwx on Apr 4, 2018 14:58:10 GMT -6
It is angry. It drops 0.5"+ of QPF along I-70 in only 3 hours. The snow band maxima would be slightly north of I-70 on the NAM. There are ptype problems in trying to figure out the amounts. The snow depth product is probably the best to look at here as even the Kuchera method is likely overestimating snowfall amounts. That cold air comes in hard and fast. If that really is how it's going to pan out then it's going to be difficult figuring out how much snow vs. sleet we're going to get.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Apr 4, 2018 15:03:03 GMT -6
NAM tracks a deepening 850mb low across the S counties which would put the metro smack dab in the good stuff...the N trend is definitely alive and well. A Jeff City to Salem, IL line seems like a good compromise at this point...maybe a bit north of that...thinking a solid advisory level snowfall is likely at this point in the metro area Friday evening.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 4, 2018 15:29:06 GMT -6
Metro looks to be in a great spot right now. I’d bet along and just south of 70 ends up being the max band. On a side note, with temps in the 20’s and gusty winds Friday night into Saturday, we could see some blowing snow issues. Blowing snow.....in St. Louis....in April
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Apr 4, 2018 15:47:42 GMT -6
18z gfs is pretty dry this run.
Hopefully just a blip.
Extremely cold during and after the snow though. Mid 20s during the snow and mid teens Saturday morning.
This will be historical one way or another.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Apr 4, 2018 15:58:16 GMT -6
Actually, the NAM does show some elevated CAPE... just above the DGZ...
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Apr 4, 2018 16:07:48 GMT -6
While the 18z gfs was drier for Friday night, it gave it right back on Sunday with several inches of snow.
I think we are going to have some fun.
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Post by Snowman99 on Apr 4, 2018 16:09:03 GMT -6
If we can get 4 inches and record cold I'll call it a success. And when i say we i mean union and lambert. Lol. Might bring my grade to a c-. Haha
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