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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 9, 2018 0:38:10 GMT -6
Way south as it cuts off the system again. I guess that's a possible solution, but it just looks odd
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Post by jmg378s on Dec 9, 2018 1:08:18 GMT -6
UKMET was fairly far south almost like the ECMWF. Would fit an ENSO theme and recent seasonal trend I guess.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Dec 9, 2018 6:08:46 GMT -6
Looks like models are going with the split flow pattern for the next 10 days which is why the system is digging south and we stay hi and dry as the southern and northern jets stay separate. Models that show any phasing are nearly too late to help us out in any meaningful way. Things still looking somewhat decent Christmas Week but might be a bit of a long shot.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Dec 9, 2018 8:13:54 GMT -6
thats what i call a wasted low.
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Post by snowjunky on Dec 9, 2018 8:36:04 GMT -6
And this is wasted cold these last couple of days.
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Post by weatherj on Dec 9, 2018 9:21:29 GMT -6
And this is wasted cold these last couple of days. I hear you, but given the fact this is only December 9th and not January 9th (or later) I'm not down about it. As long as December stays within a degree or two of normal and we can have about 6 in of snow for the month, I believe that's a win. Not epic by any stretch, but pleased. Larry Cosgrove says signals are there for the Dec. 24th to Dec. 31st time period to become increasingly colder and then on into January. All we can do is hope this means we're on the edge of the big cold and not deep into it to keep things dry.
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Post by unclesam6 on Dec 9, 2018 9:37:19 GMT -6
That is a big time snowstorm in southern VA, wowzers
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Post by STGOutdoors on Dec 9, 2018 9:58:43 GMT -6
Yea really impressive in NC and VA. Hope those Asheville hippies are enjoying it as much as I would be :/.
Good news now for the last several days the teleconnections are showing what we've all been saying. The NAO is going to go neutral to slightly negative and the EPO is going to spike bigtime here in the next 10 days which would explain our warmer zonal flow before it looks to drop back off quickly. We've had pretty much a month of reasonable model watching that actually produced some snow so it has to take a break, especially early on like this. Things should reload in.......2 weeks.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Dec 9, 2018 10:03:19 GMT -6
12z Gfs might go boom again.
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Post by ajd446 on Dec 9, 2018 10:12:44 GMT -6
If we can get cooler gfs is perfect
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 9, 2018 10:15:57 GMT -6
Its not going to be cooler.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Dec 9, 2018 10:17:20 GMT -6
If we can get cooler gfs is perfect It starts to bomb out then weakens, stopping the influx of cold air. Idk what to make of it...other than we should probably go with the Euro.
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Post by bob on Dec 9, 2018 11:24:30 GMT -6
so it looks like a green Christmas?
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Dec 9, 2018 11:45:24 GMT -6
And most of the 12z suit have the storm like the old gfs does. Just not a lot of moisture on the cold side of the low and too warm.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Dec 9, 2018 11:45:45 GMT -6
so it looks like a green Christmas? Too early
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Dec 9, 2018 12:23:37 GMT -6
EURO shifting back northward but still too far south to do anyone any real favors but it seems like things are trending back somewhat from an over-surpressed solution, still with no real strong blocking high to the northeast there's room for more shift.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 9, 2018 12:31:21 GMT -6
Euro is pretty close to bombing that low right in our wheelhouse. It cuts it off, but not as much as the last few runs.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 9, 2018 12:38:21 GMT -6
Euro has cold enough air in place on the backside to produce snow if the system would wrap up. Just need that trough to go negative and not get cut off.
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Post by rb1108 on Dec 9, 2018 13:07:09 GMT -6
It does appear it may get cold and active around the 20th or so....may have a shot at a white Xmas. Who knows.
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Post by maddogchief on Dec 9, 2018 13:40:35 GMT -6
It’s north it’s south it’s warm it’s cold enough. It’s 5 days away.
The safe bet is to go with no phasing. Light rain/mist to zonal temps.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Dec 9, 2018 13:41:53 GMT -6
How do u work the Weather.us site? WSC, u said it was free right? But it says free trial? So do u still pay eventually? Just curious how u get the Euro for free on the site? Could somebody walk me thru it?
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Dec 9, 2018 13:56:35 GMT -6
How do u work the Weather.us site? WSC, u said it was free right? But it says free trial? So do u still pay eventually? Just curious how u get the Euro for free on the site? Could somebody walk me thru it?
Just use the drop down menus on the left to select the data you want and the hour ect. Site is free (for now) but cluttered with ads from time to time. As one already mentioned back a few days ago it might not remain free for much longer but $5.99/$7.99 per month or 59.99/79.99 per year (latter amounts for more features) isn't much to ask per month for some decent easy to read maps plus if you pay the 2 bucks more you get animations and other quality of life improvements, plus no ads.
Also this is important, make sure to 'white list' the site on any ad blockers you might have this should clear up any issues at to why it might not be working properly.
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Post by bdgwx on Dec 9, 2018 14:41:01 GMT -6
We're in the 5 day window for that storm. As we saw from the last storm a lot can change even inside the 2 day window, but you still have make forecast. At this point I'm thinking significant snow in our area is a low probability call. Even if the track is right we'd still have to worry about the thermal profile of the atmosphere. I hope I'm wrong, but model guidance isn't on our side.
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Post by Sparkman - Wildwood, Mo on Dec 9, 2018 15:56:27 GMT -6
Agreed. Although not yet ready to write it off completely. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than I could explain why in this case a wrapped up Low would skirt us to the south without the high pressure to suppress - someone mentioned a zonal flow?
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 9, 2018 16:23:08 GMT -6
AFD sums it up pretty well:
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Post by jmg378s on Dec 9, 2018 17:47:15 GMT -6
This is kinda cool from the Boise NWS office. Fog mesovortex?
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Post by unclesam6 on Dec 9, 2018 17:50:49 GMT -6
This is kinda cool from the Boise NWS office. Fog mesovortex? this is one of those rare phenomenons that I bet have only been witnessed from the ground a handful of times.
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Post by maddogchief on Dec 9, 2018 17:57:27 GMT -6
Agreed. Although not yet ready to write it off completely. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than I could explain why in this case a wrapped up Low would skirt us to the south without the high pressure to suppress - someone mentioned a zonal flow? In this particular case, the northern and southern jet streams are having fits phasing. Each vorticity on its own isn’t much to write home about, but their interaction together would lead to a 10:1 snowfall along the NW flank. Without the phase, a light rain/mist is the most likely outcome. With the phase a concrete snow would likely set up I70 and points north.
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Dec 9, 2018 19:05:44 GMT -6
This is kinda cool from the Boise NWS office. Fog mesovortex? That was awesome
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Post by unclesam6 on Dec 9, 2018 21:36:11 GMT -6
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