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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 10, 2019 12:39:31 GMT -6
Euro has a full fledged blizzard Friday
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Post by tedrick65 on Feb 10, 2019 12:43:44 GMT -6
Sounds like a big swing and miss for MoDOT. They are going with the "rain washed the pretreat away" story, but the precipitation was never that hard. Talked to people from other jurisdictions that were out all night and didn't see any MoDOT trucks until the precipitation had started. I find that guy who theyve been interviewing less convincing than others in the past. I dont know if he is in a leadership position or if hes just a communications person. At any rate, im not buying the wash away story either. He's the District Maintenance Engineer, so he is part of their leadership. www.modot.org/sites/default/files/documents/StLouisMgmt_03_2018_2.pdfBefore that, they had a couple of young engineers who have since been promoted up the chain. I think the guy everyone remembers was named Chris Stone who retired. He was an actual field supervisor who was good in front of the camera. Field guys can be a lot more credible than office engineers in this situation, but a big organization like MoDOT can't have a loose cannon out there talking either. |
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 10, 2019 12:44:34 GMT -6
Euro has winds gusting over 50 mph for the northern 2/3rds of the area with heavy snow falling
It has a bit of a wind bias but still
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Post by koll27–Waterloo, IL on Feb 10, 2019 12:45:30 GMT -6
Is tomorrow morning’s commute going to be dicey? Asking for myself.
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Post by mosue56 on Feb 10, 2019 12:52:49 GMT -6
With all the warmer day time temps this week and the suns angke, unless that polar vortex returns, any snow won’t stay! 3 weeks til March! Then we spring forward!
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Post by landscaper on Feb 10, 2019 12:55:44 GMT -6
Snow what day are you talking about?
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Post by mosue56 on Feb 10, 2019 12:58:58 GMT -6
Meant angle you know that!
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 10, 2019 13:00:46 GMT -6
It is more difficult to have the snow accumulate after we add that hour of daylight in March.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 10, 2019 13:05:38 GMT -6
If the euro stays put for friday, and we see the gfs trend toward it, then friday may become a system of interest to me tomorrow and a watcher on tuesday.
As for the early week system it does have a bonafide rain ending as snow scenario with the majority of qpf occurring before cold air sets in except for uin up north and places like that.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 10, 2019 13:05:47 GMT -6
Snow what day are you talking about? Friday |
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 10, 2019 13:12:02 GMT -6
It is more difficult to have the snow accumulate after we add that hour of daylight in March. I am so looking forward to that hour of daylight displacement to the evening. If i said extra hour of daylight, somebody would have pointed out that its not really an extra hour of daylight. Spring is my favorite season by far. I just hope its 70 and dry...not 40 and rainy because no matter what, it will be 100 and humid come june. Once we spring forward, i wish they would keep it that way all year. |
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Post by tedrick65 on Feb 10, 2019 13:12:47 GMT -6
It is more difficult to have the snow accumulate after we add that hour of daylight in March. I see what you did there... |
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 10, 2019 13:16:24 GMT -6
It is more difficult to have the snow accumulate after we add that hour of daylight in March. I see what you did there... Ya he was being mischievious but i rained on his parade. |
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 10, 2019 13:17:33 GMT -6
You're just a mean person Beaker
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Post by Tilawn on Feb 10, 2019 13:18:01 GMT -6
Anyone questioning about modot “dropping the ball” obviously has no clue as to what happened for this storm. Modot was out prior to the onset of precip pretreating as I spoke with several people in different districts overnight. I pretreated all of my clients lots and sidewalks as well and within 30 minutes of the rain starting they were all solid sheets of ice as well just like the roads. The reason everything froze over so quickly is due 100% to the extremely cold ground.
And for the record I would rather have 2-3” of regular rain and muddy as can be puppy paws instead of the freezing rain.
Time for a nap......good night!!
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 10, 2019 13:25:43 GMT -6
Ok i wll bite..i agree with coz... once we get that extra hour of daylight, the sun is going to be too high for accumulating snow. The additional insolation will mean the snow wont stick on roads. No more school closures, except for floods. Im just thankful for that extra hour of daylight to bring us out of winter intp spring. Maybe we shld fall back in the summer to make it cooler.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Feb 10, 2019 13:26:39 GMT -6
Dream run for CHI on euro. Not bad for stl either. Euro also has the 18th/19th storm. Long range but teleconnections, multiple models, and consistency suggests that could be a good one.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 10, 2019 13:30:21 GMT -6
Chitown cld get a 1 2 punch of wheel well accumulating snow.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 10, 2019 13:44:54 GMT -6
Dream run for CHI on euro. Not bad for stl either. Euro also has the 18th/19th storm. Long range but teleconnections, multiple models, and consistency suggests that could be a good one. More like a dream run for central Iowa
Euro drops 2 feet of snow over its run there
Pretty great run for the entire Midwest though
Almost everyone in the midwest gets atleast 2" with STL getting 10" and Chitown getting 14"
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 10, 2019 13:59:49 GMT -6
Iowa is a given for snow in patterns like this...at least in recent years. Didnt des moines break a snow record in the past 5 years while storms tracked through or just north of us? I dont think we got so much rain as we are getting this year, but it seemed like iowa was getting hit with snow alot.
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Post by landscaper on Feb 10, 2019 14:08:41 GMT -6
I agree with Tilawn, it’s very hard to keep up salting with storms like this. The freezing rain dilutes the chemicals very quickly. This likely took 3-4 saltings to really keep it somewhat melted. Everyone is very lucky this was not a week day storm. That would have been a nightmare with that amount of freezing rain and heavy traffic.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 10, 2019 14:21:52 GMT -6
Cars are still sliding in my subdivision. I guess ppl are getting over confident with 33 temp. This is probably the worst time to be driving around.
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Post by ElKay23 - Columbia, IL on Feb 10, 2019 14:23:01 GMT -6
Light rain for the past hour or so, continuing to melt off trees. I keep hearing noises from the roof also, hope it's not impacting the gutters as it melts off.Wouldn't think it would be that heavy, but it sure is noisy. Concerned about refreezing later & in the morning.
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Post by TK on Feb 10, 2019 14:50:35 GMT -6
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 10, 2019 14:53:04 GMT -6
Dream run for CHI on euro. Not bad for stl either. Euro also has the 18th/19th storm. Long range but teleconnections, multiple models, and consistency suggests that could be a good one. More like a dream run for central Iowa
Euro drops 2 feet of snow over its run there
Pretty great run for the entire Midwest though
Almost everyone in the midwest gets atleast 2" with STL getting 10" and Chitown getting 14"
I'm pretty happy with it lol. Its snowing here currently, so hard to complain about anything right now. Expect some type of WWA or ice storm warning for Tuesday here in Chicago, and then hoping for the big one Friday. Should be one hell of a week and no reason to think STL won't have some fun too. |
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Post by jmg378s on Feb 10, 2019 15:42:01 GMT -6
There's sort of a dichotomy in the 12z model suite with ECM/GFS/CMC producing a distinct surface low track near St. Louis while the FV3/ICON produce a surface low that re-consolidates further north nearer to Chicago. The UKMET looks similar to the former but is much weaker. Still a long way to go but I'd be much more optimistic in Chicago than in St. Louis at this point.
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Post by dschreib on Feb 10, 2019 15:48:13 GMT -6
I'm thinking maybe since it's 2019, we could just leave the clocks alone.
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Post by jmg378s on Feb 10, 2019 15:50:31 GMT -6
I was referring to the late week system by the way.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 10, 2019 15:57:06 GMT -6
Back home safe and sound. After Terre Haute... no snow...just drizzle and temps warmed about a degree per hour...hit 37 downtown...but down to 35 here at home. No hints of ice anywhere here.
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Post by cardsnweather on Feb 10, 2019 16:19:07 GMT -6
There's sort of a dichotomy in the 12z model suite with ECM/GFS/CMC producing a distinct surface low track near St. Louis while the FV3/ICON produce a surface low that re-consolidates further north nearer to Chicago. The UKMET looks similar to the former but is much weaker. Still a long way to go but I'd be much more optimistic in Chicago than in St. Louis at this point. That last sentence is true 80-85% of storms. |
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