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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jul 17, 2019 3:08:45 GMT -6
Was the tornado going on at the time of that middle picture? How far away were you? I do believe it was. I was maybe 5 miles away? Also I think the pictures from the fire department and emergency management were taken within 10 minutes of mine. The siren sounding was probably 20 minutes late. Glen had a great explanation as to why during the 9 pm news last night.
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Post by toddatfarmington on Jul 17, 2019 5:32:03 GMT -6
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jul 17, 2019 6:39:15 GMT -6
I guess this is for the MCS currently entering Iowa? Short term models also have some activity developing over the Ozarks this afternoon.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jul 17, 2019 8:04:18 GMT -6
Agitated CU field in central Mo. Looks like that will develop into something within the next few hours
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jul 17, 2019 10:03:23 GMT -6
HRRR is completely missing the ball on the MCS over Iowa. I think that will work it’s way into the area this afternoon
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jul 17, 2019 10:29:15 GMT -6
Corfidi vectors and thickness contours strongly suggest the complex across IA will turn down the river valley towards the area this afternoon...models develop 3500j/kg+ CAPE and 25kts bulk shear which suggests at least an isolated severe threat today for sure...favoring wind damage but a tornado or two can't be ruled out.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jul 17, 2019 10:30:03 GMT -6
Beat me to it 92...definitely agree.
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Post by Jeke on Jul 17, 2019 11:35:00 GMT -6
SPC has brought the slight risk down to far northern part of metro.
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Post by Jeffmw on Jul 17, 2019 11:59:03 GMT -6
Hang in there everyone 2 months till fall weather set in.
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Post by ComoEsJn on Jul 17, 2019 12:15:56 GMT -6
Hang in there everyone 2 months till fall weather set in. if this was last year, you'd need to add another month to that number
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Post by Jeffmw on Jul 17, 2019 12:27:15 GMT -6
Hang in there everyone 2 months till fall weather set in. if this was last year, you'd need to add another month to that number Even then was still cooler.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jul 17, 2019 13:20:44 GMT -6
Looks pretty mean entering northern MO right now. HRRR actually has it coming through the area now. Also things are developing over the eastern Ozarks so it could turn into a fairly busy evening.
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Post by yypc on Jul 17, 2019 13:20:48 GMT -6
If the dew point went over 98 degrees, would the human body still be able to cool itself with sweat?
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 13:30:54 GMT -6
If the dew point went over 98 degrees, would the human body still be able to cool itself with sweat? In short... No. Assuming temps where also 98.6 (human body temp) which is the lowest it could be as temps can't drop below the dewpoint level without the dewpoint also lowering. Sweat depends on air being lower then the body temp to cool effectively. The lower the temp and hence lower dewpoint the stronger the cooling effect. As a side note you'd probably die within a short amount of time as the heat index would be 185*F only 27*F from the boiling point of water. Need less to say it wouldn't be pleasant for your lungs and given the temps would likely be higher in the above scenario means it could actually be much worse. On Earth only areas around the Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf ever get this kind of juice and even then it's never quite that high but have seen some upper 80s to low 90s dewpoints modeled there from time to time.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Jul 17, 2019 13:32:03 GMT -6
Looks pretty mean entering northern MO right now. HRRR actually has it coming through the area now. Also things are developing over the eastern Ozarks so it could turn into a fairly busy evening. I was watching them through Iowa and wondering if there was going to be a sharp right turn or development further south.
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Post by blizzard123 on Jul 17, 2019 13:34:07 GMT -6
If the dew point went over 98 degrees, would the human body still be able to cool itself with sweat? If you were coming from inside to outside, initially water would condense onto your body from the air as your skin temperature is cooler than the dew point (similar to how a glass of ice water condenses water on the outer part of the glass until all the ice melts and the glass warms up). However, as you stay out there longer, your body would probably warm above the dew point, which would quit the condensation process, and would make evaporation more likely. With your body temperature being so close to the dew point, evaporation would be quite slow, so there would not be much cooling of your body. Regardless, you would be sweating a ton without much if any cooling to show for it. Edit: Looks like I was beaten to the response!
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 13:34:18 GMT -6
Placing arrival time for storms to St. Louis metro or at minimum closest approach between 6PM and 9PM, but honing in on 7:30-ish.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 13:35:45 GMT -6
Models are starting to spin up a nice derecho which could reach all the way to Georgia according to some. Just can't get a heat dome without the chance of at least one ridge running MCS/Derecho it seems.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jul 17, 2019 13:39:14 GMT -6
DCAPE is around 1500 so wind looks like a big concern with these storms
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 13:41:50 GMT -6
Fun fact... A Borg Cube/Ship from star Trek with it's 39.1*C temp or 102.7 along with 93% humidity would yield a 'Heat Index' close to 200*F or 197 to be exact. Wonder how the people would survive a trip to such a ship without being a pool of sweat if not collapsed from heat stroke. Stage Magic I guess. Borg they can survive it just fine due to cybernetic augmentation.
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Post by Snowman99 on Jul 17, 2019 13:43:44 GMT -6
I want to feel a dewpoint of 98 just one time.
Nah, just kidding, I'd rather stick a 10 inch piercing hot needle in my eye.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 13:54:22 GMT -6
Definitely one of those weeks I'm thankful that I am a checker and not a bagger having to get carts from the lot.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jul 17, 2019 13:55:20 GMT -6
Those Ozark cells are becoming quite impressive.
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Post by Jeffmw on Jul 17, 2019 13:59:21 GMT -6
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 14:00:24 GMT -6
Bow at the MO/IL border appears to be in process of turning south, looks to be aiming for a Carbondale/Mount Vernon, IL trajectory which would put metro St. Louis on the western flank with Madison and St. Clair county getting the brunt in the immediate metro area.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 14:03:20 GMT -6
Thinking low to upper 80s with 83 to 87 most likely. Night lows could dip into the 50s away from the city though and it'll be drier for a few days anyway. Increasing signal for the Azures High to back in to the eastern half of the US towards the end of next week with more seasonable temps back to around 88-93 and lows in the mid to upper 70s with dewpoints in the low mid 70s. Looks like nearly daily chance of storms however due to wide open Gulf and any subtropical waves/disturbances rolling though.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 14:04:16 GMT -6
New Severe Storm watch posted for our northern most counties.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jul 17, 2019 14:12:23 GMT -6
I have zero pops for rain. SPC thinks this will peeter out before it gets here?
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 14:15:55 GMT -6
I have zero pops for rain. SPC thinks this will peeter out before it gets here? Not if the HRRR and RAP are right. I think it'll make it through once here though it could dissipate but cool pool might keep it going along with plenty of moisture and CAPEs. Only negative is loss of day time heating which will be starting to occur as it pushes through. Though if it does evolve into a full blown derecho it could keep itself going for hours beyond sundown.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Jul 17, 2019 14:19:04 GMT -6
RAP is taking this thing way too far south which doesn't match with the radar, thinking a mixture of a 12KM NAM and HRRR solution is preferred.
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