twocat
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Post by twocat on Jan 16, 2021 9:34:55 GMT -6
Brief glimpse of the sun right after sunrise but now back to the gray. Still had a dusting of snow on the deck and grass but it has quickly melted. Official snow total from yesterday - .4. more than doubled the seasonal total. Are you sure that total isn't .04?? j/k This winter stinks so far. The Davis on the roof in North St. Pete is verklempt from this.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 16, 2021 9:53:20 GMT -6
NAM has decent snow squall parameters around here tomorrow. CAMs also have another round of light snow tonight
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Post by mosue56 on Jan 16, 2021 10:09:49 GMT -6
Sunshine in Festus! Snow what was left this am is gone now! It was pretty! Waiting for the next blow!
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Jan 16, 2021 10:22:02 GMT -6
12z gfs says we wait until next weekend for anything meaningful to be on the radar.
So be it
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Post by landscaper on Jan 16, 2021 10:22:31 GMT -6
Snowstorm what is Cams?
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 16, 2021 10:32:08 GMT -6
Convective Allowing Models
So the RAP, HRRR, NAM, Hi res NAM, etc.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Jan 16, 2021 10:33:17 GMT -6
12z gfs bringing that cold down in the extended (yes, it tends to do this often).
Something to dream on at least
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 16, 2021 10:46:32 GMT -6
Maybe a dusting here in the Harvester area. I think we dodged a bullet yesterday.
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 16, 2021 10:50:43 GMT -6
The airport recorded 0.4". That brings the seasonal total up to 0.7".
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 16, 2021 10:53:24 GMT -6
GFSv16 is certainly active with plenty of arctic air around in the medium to long range
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Jan 16, 2021 11:02:23 GMT -6
12z gfs bringing that cold down in the extended (yes, it tends to do this often). Something to dream on at least and the euro keeps it in check, with a slab of rain along and south of a line between the villes, snow to the north into IA.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Jan 16, 2021 11:08:49 GMT -6
12z gfs bringing that cold down in the extended (yes, it tends to do this often). Something to dream on at least and the euro keeps it in check, with a slab of rain along and south of a line between the villes, snow to the north into IA. 00z euro had a bunch of cold air loaded in Canada ready to release down. 12z gem brings it down, just a bit west compared to the gfs. It fits with the split PV and lag time to impacts on our sensible weather
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bob
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Post by bob on Jan 16, 2021 12:17:42 GMT -6
What does 12z EURO show for next week?
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Jan 16, 2021 12:19:08 GMT -6
and the euro keeps it in check, with a slab of rain along and south of a line between the villes, snow to the north into IA. 00z euro had a bunch of cold air loaded in Canada ready to release down. 12z gem brings it down, just a bit west compared to the gfs. It fits with the split PV and lag time to impacts on our sensible weather yeah, we may be in a transition. I'm actually surprised that our surface temps don't pop a little higher next week, but instead are pretty close to climatology. That cold air doesn't really build in western canada until toward the middle or end of next week. cpc has area in below normal temps in week 2, along with above normal precip, so hopefully we can get some watchers.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Jan 16, 2021 12:24:35 GMT -6
What does 12z EURO show for next week? I can see the euro out to Wednesday night at this point...basically quiet weather, and by Wednesday, temps 10 degrees above normal, with below normal temps across the lower MS valley and much above normal temps from the plains northward into western and central canada, where temps are as much as 30 degrees above normal. Prior runs of the euro beyond that timeframe, do bring cold temps back to that region.
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Post by bob on Jan 16, 2021 12:27:10 GMT -6
Thanks Beaker hopefully it will show something by weekend.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Jan 16, 2021 12:31:33 GMT -6
What does 12z EURO show for next week? I can see the euro out to Wednesday night at this point...basically quiet weather, and by Wednesday, temps 10 degrees above normal, with below normal temps across the lower MS valley and much above normal temps from the plains northward into western and central canada, where temps are as much as 30 degrees above normal. Prior runs of the euro beyond that timeframe, do bring cold temps back to that region. There's a low off the coast of baja that spits some energy our way mid week, mostly in southeastern mo, but don't be surprised to see a little rain wednesday afternoon into evening if the euro is holding true. By Thursday night low dives into MX and redevelops over Texarkana bringing soaking rains to AR. No cold air in place, so attm, looks like wasted low in terms of winter precip until it gets further to the eastern conus.
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Post by bob on Jan 16, 2021 12:39:33 GMT -6
Guess one of those winters not going to work for us.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Jan 16, 2021 12:47:49 GMT -6
Guess one of those winters not going to work for us. The euro keeps at least the first half of the weekend cold, but dry, and moderating temps on Sunday as a new low pressure spins over CO. That low should be the next weather maker. It would bring us a mix by middle of the following week...and I think alot of forum members are looking for secondary development that could bring us potential snow...but that's a long way off. It should turn colder the final week in January.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Jan 16, 2021 12:57:07 GMT -6
The gfs and euro have both systems and are in pretty good agreement on timing and strength, but the gfs places the low further south and looks to be a colder solution in terms of ptype in MO. We still haven't built alot of cold air in Canada at this time, so I suspect the euro is the more likely winner on this one. Anyway this is probably getting too detailed this far out. I think what we know is some changes coming in the overall pattern last week in January, along with some kind of precipitation.
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Post by bob on Jan 16, 2021 13:01:31 GMT -6
Thanks for explaining. Trying to learn from you guys
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Jan 16, 2021 13:29:52 GMT -6
On this day in 1978, I was shoveling 15 inches of snow. From the Cape Rewound facebook page by Fred Lynch a long time photographer: A year before the Great Blizzard of 1979 with 24 inches of snow, Cape Girardeau recorded 15 inches of snow Jan. 15-16, 1978. It was compared to a record blizzard of 15 inches on Dec. 8, 1917. In January 1918, a total of 35.7 inches of snow was recorded.
This was part 2 of a series of 3 winters, where ice gorges formed on the MS River, and people got arrested walking on foot out into the river. Just when you didn't think you could top the previous winter, old man winter said, "hold my beer". The lead paragraph of the newspaper after the 1979 blizzard said to say no more about 1917/1918 - for the great blizzard of 1979 is the new yardstick. Those words are still true. St. Louis would get its super snow in 1982. I believe one of those winters in the late 70s, St. Louis got 66 inches of snow for the season. The snows those years were regional in nature. widespread. it didn't matter where you lived, if snow was coming it would find you. These days, the snows tend to be narrower bands of snow and it's rare that the entire region gets all snow. DAM and WAM took a hiatus. That was not the case in 77/78/79. Snow came at us from all directions - the northwest, the southwest, etc. Snow blanketed the entire state and stuck around. Snow on snow. I believe Time magazine put out a spread on a new ice age. My science teacher spoke about it then and said it was bogus - that the earth had actually warmed close to 1* C over the century and by the end of the century, we could be 2.5*C warmer than 1900. She said this was a big deal, but back then there wasn't the discussion on whether climate change was man made or not. It was more along the lines that climate is anything but constant. I would say she was very smart. Passed away a couple years ago, sadly.
For me, those winters couldn't have come at a better time in my life. Old enough to be free-ranged by my folks, but not too old to enjoy. We had a big hill behind my house, called Brookwood. All the neighborhood kids met there for sledding. On one December occasion (either 76 or 77), we had 4 inches of sleet. It sleeted the entire weekend. We didn't need any hill on that occasion to get going. Now, I got to admit, by 1979, I was still 15, but starting to get a little older with more interests - that's when we started our poker group, meeting in each others basements and gambling with all the loose change we could muster from our couches. It was a friendly poker group, no busted kneecaps or anything like that. Nonetheless, fond memories, that I wish my kids, even my grandkids could have enjoyed something similar. I've bought my share of sleds as an adult for my kids, that sat idle in the garage all winter after giving to the kids as a Christmas present. I would never recommend that these days. It's not fun looking at a sled all winter, and it's not unreasonable that a kid could outgrow that idle sled before a real snow came.
Each of those winters featured a huge snowstorm that paralyzed the region. In 1977, it was an 11 inch blizzard; then the 15 inch supersnow; then the great blizzard of 1979. The good thing too, those storms were not the only storms to impact the region. There was plenty of winterstorms that affected the region those years otherwise.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 16, 2021 14:17:09 GMT -6
If not for the dang warm surface temps this could of been a 2-5” event for most of the area
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 16, 2021 14:42:18 GMT -6
It's always something this winter...so far.
I keep having to remind myself that we've seen several winters before where the first half was basically a non-winter and it turned on a dime and came in like hotcakes February into March. Nature has a way of balancing things out...the "rubberband theory".
The last week or so of this month into February should hold strong potential with the way things are playing out. Any warm spells between now and then should be short lived and not significantly above average. Models have pretty consistently been too warm overall in the medium range lately, especially during cloudy days. The wave(s) ejecting out of the SW near Baja next week will need to be watched closely...the GFS and GEM have a stronger ridge over the top and more cold air nearby. We'll have to see where the boundary ends up, and how much those waves can develop.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Jan 16, 2021 15:39:59 GMT -6
Good Saturday afternoon all... I'm off air for the week and heading to snowier and colder confines of Omaha, NE. All-in-all, I thought the forecasts portrayed leading up to yesterday's event matured well and pretty accurately reflected what happened. There was a little more snow a bit further into southeast Missouri and forecast, but outside of that I'm pretty happy and feel the viewers were well served. Yes, had it been a few degrees colder, the STL area would have ended up with more accumulation... but that was factored into the forecast. The fact is, the accumulations were a little less effecient than even I expected even with marginal temperatures. This may well have been because of the anticedent mild temperatures.
Looking ahead... we get brushed with the clipper system tonight into Sunday... but the better chance for light accumulation is on target to our northeast and east. After the weak system zips through here Tuesday... I think we need to watch late week/weekend pretty closely. That upper low digging into the southwest is a big wild card and I feel strongly no model has a clue of when/how to eject it. The continue signals of even modest cold air in the northwest flow may make for an interesting set-up... if not next weekend... then certainly the last week of January into early February. We may get a good shot of winter packed into a couple weeks time. This winter is not over yet.
OH.....AND MODERATORS... CHECK YOUR MESSAGES!!!!
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Jan 16, 2021 17:16:39 GMT -6
Some of the short term models are showing some minor accumulations for tonight and tomorrow..... I guess we shall see
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 16, 2021 17:25:51 GMT -6
Some of the short term models are showing some minor accumulations for tonight and tomorrow..... I guess we shall see Wouldn’t surprise me if I got more snow tonight/tomorrow than I got with yesterday’s event
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Jan 16, 2021 17:48:43 GMT -6
Some of the short term models are showing some minor accumulations for tonight and tomorrow..... I guess we shall see Wouldn’t surprise me if I got more snow tonight/tomorrow than I got with yesterday’s event It wouldn’t take much lol
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 16, 2021 18:14:32 GMT -6
Timing is more favorable with this system...and the ground should be cooler. We just need it to dig a bit more and we'll be in a decent spot. But I have a feeling we're gonna get missed to the NE again for some reason, lol!
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Post by lunchladyd on Jan 16, 2021 18:31:47 GMT -6
Good Saturday afternoon all... I'm off air for the week and heading to snowier and colder confines of Omaha, NE. All-in-all, I thought the forecasts portrayed leading up to yesterday's event matured well and pretty accurately reflected what happened. There was a little more snow a bit further into southeast Missouri and forecast, but outside of that I'm pretty happy and feel the viewers were well served. Yes, had it been a few degrees colder, the STL area would have ended up with more accumulation... but that was factored into the forecast. The fact is, the accumulations were a little less effecient than even I expected even with marginal temperatures. This may well have been because of the anticedent mild temperatures. Looking ahead... we get brushed with the clipper system tonight into Sunday... but the better chance for light accumulation is on target to our northeast and east. After the weak system zips through here Tuesday... I think we need to watch late week/weekend pretty closely. That upper low digging into the southwest is a big wild card and I feel strongly no model has a clue of when/how to eject it. The continue signals of even modest cold air in the northwest flow may make for an interesting set-up... if not next weekend... then certainly the last week of January into early February. We may get a good shot of winter packed into a couple weeks time. This winter is not over yet. OH.....AND MODERATORS... CHECK YOUR MESSAGES!!!! Safe travels Chris!
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