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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 17, 2021 11:30:04 GMT -6
That little Fgen band the NAM and GFS show on Monday PM into Tuesday AM is interesting...would lay down a couple inches or so along I-70 if they verify. I agree Btrn. That FGEN band could be one of the best accumulations of the winter especially for areas N of I-70. Solar insolation shouldn't be a problem as it looks to begin after 6pm tomorrow. Unfortunately, the 12z NAM doesn't look as promising. Who knows though. Temps are pretty borderline again...but those Fgen bands can produce good snowfall rates that could overwhelm the warm surface. I thought we'd see better accumulation last night though...it pretty well melted off through the night and froze early this morning once it finally got into the 20s. I'm getting awfully tired of following these little dinker systems...we need a good, old fashioned snowstorm!
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Post by landscaper on Jan 17, 2021 11:34:08 GMT -6
Gfs and Gem are terrible. Gfs lost its cold in the extended, pretty much all models have all rain late next weekend, the para gfs is the only one showing any snow . Been through cold bias gem is mostly rain . Lack of any cold air has killed this year. On the models it looks like Iowa/Minnesota continue to be ground zero for more great storms . That still could Change , but two more weeks, I’m still waiting for the effects of the ssw, first it was supposed to be mid January then late January now people are talking about early February for any cold to make it to the USA. It will be spring before we know it .
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Post by pbc12871 on Jan 17, 2021 11:54:31 GMT -6
This whole "Impacts of the SSW event should start in about two weeks" thing has an oddly familiar ring to it.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Jan 17, 2021 12:07:57 GMT -6
brtn, seems like you could get another little bit of light snow Monday night, no? Models don't really change any earlier thinking as far as long term weather around here, IMO.
I'm looking ahead, with some interest in next weekend and there are differences in timing for impact to our area, which really results in differences in the amount of cold air availability and therefore sensible weather. All solutions seem to include rain for now. One solution includes a transition to sleet and snow, especially for central mo. Another solution says an icy start to a cold rain to seasonably cold - that's probably, tbh, the most favored solution imo as the air is more of a pacific nature, with plenty of gulf influence.
It's far enough though, that a broad brush chance of rain and snow would make sense late in teh weekend into early the following week. Signs that it could send some pieces of moisture our way prior to that as well.
Now, I'm going to stick my neck out and temper some excitement about February - statistically, winters like this lead to mild Februarys overall. I do see some reason to steer clear of that assumption with how things are evolving currently. But for now, not reason enough to think February is going to be pure winter. EPO may give us a break for a week or so, but I don't see a sustained negative EPO; and in February, it will be just about time for the NAO to flip back to positive, as it has been largely neutral to negative the past couple weeks. Overall, I see February as above normal both in terms of temps and precip. There could be some wide temperature swings, as is often the case in February. For those of you who like the CFS, even that model has a 35 degree temperature anomaly in the middle of February, but the CFS is random, so there's that.
Most of my basis, is that the EPO is pretty consistent without the wide week to week variations that we might see with an NAO. We've seen that this year with it largely being positive. If it goes negative, I would not expect it to stay negative beyond a week or two.
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Jan 17, 2021 13:06:02 GMT -6
This little batch gonna be snow or rain? I’m at 39 degrees at the moment
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Post by landscaper on Jan 17, 2021 13:20:03 GMT -6
Probably a mix of rain and snow , temps are above freezing mid to upper 30’s but dew points are mid 20’s . Will likely start as mix a d possible turn to all rain during the afternoon as it wet bulbs come up.
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Jan 17, 2021 13:35:15 GMT -6
That is if the arch doesn’t stop splitting it into two lol
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 17, 2021 13:43:12 GMT -6
Milky sunshine and 38* in Arnold
Even if it is snow it’s not like it’s sticking
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jan 17, 2021 13:56:03 GMT -6
Has the epo outlook gone sour again?
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Post by Tilawn on Jan 17, 2021 14:08:16 GMT -6
Very light flurry and 37° yet.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 17, 2021 14:21:59 GMT -6
Has the epo outlook gone sour again?
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Post by Tilawn on Jan 17, 2021 14:23:12 GMT -6
Very light flurry and 37° yet. Now a moderate wet snow shower and 36°
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Post by ndolan387 on Jan 17, 2021 14:51:45 GMT -6
I'd call what I'm seeing in Wildwood as bonus snow! Light snow falling now.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 17, 2021 14:54:27 GMT -6
Coming down good in Arnold but it’s 36*
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Post by landscaper on Jan 17, 2021 14:55:49 GMT -6
Light flurries in wentzville 36 nothing sticking very small flakes
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 17, 2021 15:01:29 GMT -6
Moderate snow that's meting on contact......again
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jan 17, 2021 15:02:11 GMT -6
39* nothing here... we may stay dry based off of radar.
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Post by addicted2wx - Villa Ridge, Mo on Jan 17, 2021 15:07:13 GMT -6
Steady light snow falling here. 36°F - all melting on contact.
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Post by mchafin on Jan 17, 2021 15:21:43 GMT -6
Steady light snow here. Nothing sticking. But felt good on my shoulders in the hot tub.
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Post by koll27–Waterloo, IL on Jan 17, 2021 15:31:21 GMT -6
Light snow in Waterloo.
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Post by John G -west belleville on Jan 17, 2021 15:48:10 GMT -6
Nice flizzard in Belleville. Roads wet
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Jan 17, 2021 16:00:18 GMT -6
Light snow and 37 degrees
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jan 17, 2021 16:07:03 GMT -6
Flizzard in Mascoutah...
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Post by bororug on Jan 17, 2021 16:19:22 GMT -6
Light snow in Eureka. Not sticking to anything. What a shame.
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Post by STGOutdoors on Jan 17, 2021 16:20:11 GMT -6
Group poll: What’s worse, last year’s 31/32 degree “ice storms” or this year’s melting snowflakes?
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Post by landscaper on Jan 17, 2021 16:22:40 GMT -6
To he 18z RGEM and GFS are a little bit further to the south west with the front band tomorrow evening, probably a mix of rain/snow with border line temps but as Brtn mentioned earlier heavier precipitation rates could easily overcome that. We need another 20-30 mile shift south and we would be in a good spot. Temps look to drop into the upper 20’s by midnight tomorrow night could make for a refreeze situation after midnight. We’re due for the surprise over performer. We have not had one in a couple years.
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Post by landscaper on Jan 17, 2021 16:23:54 GMT -6
31 ice storms for sure at least we could treat and throw salt, this years air snow has been really bad for the snow business
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Post by amstilost on Jan 17, 2021 16:27:11 GMT -6
Light snow and 36* 7 miles west of De Soto. As far as the group poll, I feel both suck equally.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 17, 2021 16:28:42 GMT -6
Group poll: What’s worse, last year’s 31/32 degree “ice storms” or this year’s melting snowflakes? Watching a steady snow incinerate on contact is just depressing. Having it happen in the middle of January is a tragedy
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Jan 17, 2021 16:31:28 GMT -6
Snowing pretty good and down to 34..... nothing sticking sadly.... as for the poll .... as LaRussa used to say the are tied for 1st
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