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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Oct 23, 2021 20:45:47 GMT -6
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Post by Chris Higgins on Oct 23, 2021 20:51:57 GMT -6
The "day" part of the forecast probably ends at 5pm or so. The storm threat there may hold off until a little after that... hence the forecast you are seeing.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Oct 23, 2021 20:52:41 GMT -6
The worst case scenario is that the cap is just strong enough to get things unstable but not so strong that isolated supercells start popping out in the free warm sector late afternoon. SPC is mentioning this possibility but I'm not seeing very strong signal in CAMs for that...yet. But if we build up 1000-1500j/kg SBCAPE the 200+ m2/s2 of 1km SRH and 40+kts of 6km shear would be enough to get things pretty serious even before a QLCS with embedded supercells/mesovortices sweeps through. This is my concern as well. Possible "multi-wave" event with supercells first... then QLCS second. Having a hard time finding any capping inversion on the NAM but the 3km NAM has a rather prominent one
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Post by amstilost on Oct 23, 2021 21:33:28 GMT -6
Thanks Chris, Congrats again on the Emmy. I am getting several training thundershowers here. Love it. Also, check out the Canary Island webcam of the volcano. Seems to get real 'lively' at night. Mesmerizing. Fountains
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Oct 23, 2021 21:45:24 GMT -6
00z HREF popping a 15% tornado probability in south central Mo tomorrow
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Post by ajd446 on Oct 24, 2021 6:35:06 GMT -6
Sun is poking out already. And it feels soupy, 62 dp 60 in st.peters we are getting primed
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Post by Snowman99 on Oct 24, 2021 7:26:10 GMT -6
satellite shows quite a bit of clearing over south central and sw MO, with our are on the outhern edge of the thicker clouds. If that clearing spreads north..look out.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Oct 24, 2021 7:34:53 GMT -6
Was clear for the last hour, but a layer of clouds just came in. It looks thick too.
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Oct 24, 2021 7:41:18 GMT -6
I got sunshine at the moment
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Oct 24, 2021 8:01:40 GMT -6
Nice stiff breeze out of the west. It's cool though.
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Post by ajd446 on Oct 24, 2021 8:23:06 GMT -6
Most of our destabilization will come from 1 p.m to 5 p.m. its waves of clouds until about noon, things are primed in my opinion even with clouds im climbimg a degree an hour whick will put the area 65 to 70 by noon then the sun will pop as the low approaches and get breezy
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heinleid
Weather Weenie
Jefferson Hills, PA
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Post by heinleid on Oct 24, 2021 8:23:47 GMT -6
Amazing to watch a thin, broken line of weak showers around here yesterday turn into a tornado outbreak to the east in Ohio. And I (a MO native, mind you) get to experience it. No damage (not even the electricity got knocked out), but still, highly unusual. Excerpt from the official NWS Pittsburgh summary of the outbreak on 10/21: Boggles my mind, even being from MO...
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Post by ajd446 on Oct 24, 2021 8:26:36 GMT -6
New afd meso states the concern is growing today.
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Post by Snowman99 on Oct 24, 2021 8:31:47 GMT -6
Area Forecast Discussion...Updated National Weather Service Saint Louis MO 915 AM CDT Sun Oct 24 2021
.MESOSCALE DISCUSSION... Issued at 914 AM CDT Sun Oct 24 2021
Key Messages...
1) Large hail, damaging winds, and strong tornadoes are all very real hazards today as the setup for severe weather is the most potent our area has seen in a few years.
2) The threat for flash flooding in northeast Missouri and west- central Illinois is beginning to waning.
Technical Discussion...
Latest regional surface analysis depicts a deepening low centered across central Kansas, with a warm front draped over central Missouri and south-central Illinois. Training thunderstorms along the boundary that brought up to 4.5" of rain in some spots are dissipating and lifting north as the LLJ veers and the warm front advances. Despite the impressive rainfall totals (KUIN is now well- beyond its record for the entire day), no flooding impacts are reported as of yet and rivers did not reach flood stage.
All eyes now turn to the impending threat for widespread severe thunderstorms this afternoon and evening across the entire CWA. Without re-hashing the AFD below, the one major source of uncertainty is the extent to which cloud cover from this morning`s convection would effect surface-based CI this afternoon. The aforementioned surface analysis depicts advancing 60F+ dewpoints encroaching the St. Louis area and 65F+ values in eastern Kansas. Ahead of a cold front in western Oklahoma, a pre- frontal trough that has been depicted in the guidance as an initial source of lift and low-level shear is now evident. Satellite imagery depicts an area of fog/low stratus across southeast/east-central Missouri, with mostly clear skies in southwest Missouri. Gravity waves can also be observed in the low stratus on visible imagery, suggesting a stable layer very near the surface. This stratus will likely lift and dissipate as the surface warms this morning. While the clearing skies would allow for proper insolation to destabilize the boundary layer, ongoing convection in western Missouri is causing more cloud redevelopment. Concern is growing that our instability will wind up being sufficient for surface- based convection given the pre-frontal forcing holds together. Storms will then organize in a highly- favorable kinematic environment (again, see below).
It is becoming more apparent that today will be one of the more active weather days this area has seen in some time, at least in terms of severe thunderstorms. A change of note in the guidance is that a few finer-resolution models, CAMs, and the SPC Mesoscale Analysis now depict stronger mid-level lapse rates (7-8C/km) in central/north- central Missouri. If supercells can organize coincident with these lapse rates, very large hail (2"+ in diameter) cannot be ruled out in some storms. That hazard would accompany the elevated risk for strong tornadoes and 70-80mph straight-line winds in the same general area.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Oct 24, 2021 8:58:49 GMT -6
Latest SREF run is showing a corridor of 60% probability of significant tornado ingredients
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Oct 24, 2021 9:03:20 GMT -6
Sunny, warm, humid, and super windy this morning.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Oct 24, 2021 9:39:17 GMT -6
Sunny, warm, humid, and super windy this morning. 'Nader weather!
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Post by demerson- Fletcher MO on Oct 24, 2021 9:42:30 GMT -6
Sunny, warm, humid, and super windy this morning. 'Nader weather! Unfortunately we decided to close the windows and pop the ac back on. Too sticky out.
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Post by toddatfarmington on Oct 24, 2021 9:51:01 GMT -6
First NWS severe weather conference of the year scheduled at 11, that I can recall anyway.
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Post by The Commish- Lake St. Louis on Oct 24, 2021 10:11:19 GMT -6
So is today the day we may see one of those PDS tornado watches?
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Oct 24, 2021 10:26:33 GMT -6
Loaded-esque gun looking sounding around here this evening from the 15z RAP
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Post by Jeffmw on Oct 24, 2021 10:27:05 GMT -6
Could the cloud cover help keep the severity of these storms down?
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Post by ajd446 on Oct 24, 2021 10:30:50 GMT -6
I dont those clouds will affect too much we have had enough sun we are already in the 70s
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Post by toddatfarmington on Oct 24, 2021 10:35:17 GMT -6
Nothing that's not already been advertised come from the conference call, other than overall confidence is increasing as to widespread severe weather today and an increase in Significant hail is more likely from central MO into NE MO. Did inquire if they expected an upgrade to moderate in the next package by the SPC, and they stated they were on the fence but do not expect it. They said its close, and should be treated as such, but likely will not get the moderate tag.
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Post by toddatfarmington on Oct 24, 2021 10:35:41 GMT -6
Could the cloud cover help keep the severity of these storms down? Not likely
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Jeke
Junior Forecaster
Old Jamestown, MO
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Post by Jeke on Oct 24, 2021 10:45:00 GMT -6
Thanks for those updates, Todd.
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Post by perryville on Oct 24, 2021 10:50:13 GMT -6
Temperature currently sitting at 76 and winds have increased here in Southeast Mo. Very little cloud cover.
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Post by Snowman99 on Oct 24, 2021 10:54:35 GMT -6
a bit late with the 1130 update on the spc
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Post by ajd446 on Oct 24, 2021 11:01:01 GMT -6
Incredible wind shear if you look at the diffiernt cloud directions.today
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Post by Jeffmw on Oct 24, 2021 11:02:09 GMT -6
Hope you guys don’t mind if I hope this is a bust today.
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