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Post by amstilost on Feb 8, 2022 11:00:10 GMT -6
From my untrained eye it looks incredibly close/identical with the GHD storm. I haven't compared strength of lead northern wave but it sure looks alot like it. Also, even though it has been sunny and warmer I have very liitle, if any, grass showing looking out front window across field up to Hwy H. Except where cedar trees are. What's up with that? Is it because less snow fell to the ground to the south of cedar trees or is there some kind of warming effect from the sun reflecting off the branches?
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 8, 2022 11:03:16 GMT -6
12z ggem has the storm as well.
Thursday at this time we might officially have a storm of interest.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Feb 8, 2022 11:27:34 GMT -6
From my untrained eye it looks incredibly close/identical with the GHD storm. I haven't compared strength of lead northern wave but it sure looks alot like it. Also, even though it has been sunny and warmer I have very liitle, if any, grass showing looking out front window across field up to Hwy H. Except where cedar trees are. What's up with that? Is it because less snow fell to the ground to the south of cedar trees or is there some kind of warming effect from the sun reflecting off the branches? Both. Wind block from the north and longwave radiation working it's magic.
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 8, 2022 11:27:51 GMT -6
Still no grass showing in my yard. But I live way down on a valley where the sun has a hard time shining a whole lot. There a southern exposure hillside just across the way that is completely gone of snow. Still 5 inches in places here. Gonna be messy today though.
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Post by amstilost on Feb 8, 2022 11:39:34 GMT -6
Amazing outside.....except it sounds like it's raining.
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Feb 8, 2022 11:48:30 GMT -6
I have a south facing hillside that is showing a good deal of grass, as well. But on the north side of the house it doesn't look much different than it did last Thursday morning when it had finally finished snowing. Amazing the effects of a strong February sun at 39⁰ north.
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 8, 2022 12:25:44 GMT -6
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 8, 2022 12:59:44 GMT -6
12z euro has a storm next week, but the cold air doesn’t undercut the wave. Then, the northern stream crushes whatever is left after the remaining energy cuts off in the far southwest.
Unfortunately, this is what the vast majority of the gfs ensembles looked like this morning.
Hopefully, the ggem has the right idea.
Long, long, long way to go.
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Post by bdgwx on Feb 8, 2022 13:09:23 GMT -6
Something I find a little interesting - there is a slight uptick in arctic sea ice coverage over the last 2-3 years, when compared to the previous 8 or 9 years. It may just be noise, but there is a slight trend there back in the other direction. nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/Also, nobody wants to talk about the GFS eh? Looks awfully familiar. Trends... I keep track of this pretty closely. I know Friv does as well. This is almost certainly noise. The planetary energy imbalance has now increased to +0.87 W/m2 with the ocean buffering most of the excess heat. In fact, the ocean took another 14 zetajoules of excess energy in 2021. The ocean can only buffer so much before the atmosphere and cryosphere are forced to equilibriate with it though.
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Post by landscaper on Feb 8, 2022 13:09:25 GMT -6
Yes it’s a good start to have the gem and gfs looking similar. The euro is not far off , in fact the EPS has had a nice look to it for several days for backside snow potential
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 8, 2022 13:23:51 GMT -6
12z GEFS dosent look shabby
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 8, 2022 13:31:46 GMT -6
Something I find a little interesting - there is a slight uptick in arctic sea ice coverage over the last 2-3 years, when compared to the previous 8 or 9 years. It may just be noise, but there is a slight trend there back in the other direction. nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/Also, nobody wants to talk about the GFS eh? Looks awfully familiar. Trends... I keep track of this pretty closely. I know Friv does as well. This is almost certainly noise. The planetary energy imbalance has now increased to +0.87 W/m2 with the ocean buffering most of the excess heat. In fact, the ocean took another 14 zetajoules of excess energy in 2021. The ocean can only buffer so much before the atmosphere and cryosphere are forced to equilibriate with it though. To me... there is zero chance they know what the OHC of the top 2000m of oceans across the world in 1958
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Feb 8, 2022 15:15:59 GMT -6
Something I find a little interesting - there is a slight uptick in arctic sea ice coverage over the last 2-3 years, when compared to the previous 8 or 9 years. It may just be noise, but there is a slight trend there back in the other direction. nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/Also, nobody wants to talk about the GFS eh? Looks awfully familiar. Trends... I keep track of this pretty closely. I know Friv does as well. This is almost certainly noise. The planetary energy imbalance has now increased to +0.87 W/m2 with the ocean buffering most of the excess heat. In fact, the ocean took another 14 zetajoules of excess energy in 2021. The ocean can only buffer so much before the atmosphere and cryosphere are forced to equilibriate with it though. I didn't respond because I would never be able to say it nearly as eloquent as you. It's definitely noise. 2012 had a high extent max compared to years around it and as we all know the summer ice pack in 2012 almost no completely collapsed.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 8, 2022 16:31:32 GMT -6
fwiw, cpc has portions of st louis area highlighted for risk (slight) of heavy snow, and all of the metro along and south of 70 to the gulf highlighted for heavy precip, and a high wind risk for st louis and points west.
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Post by BDS on Feb 8, 2022 17:52:52 GMT -6
fwiw, cpc has portions of st louis area highlighted for risk (slight) of heavy snow, and all of the metro along and south of 70 to the gulf highlighted for heavy precip, and a high wind risk for st louis and points west. Even Glenn on the 530 report said during the 6-10 Day outlook that there is a storm out there Wed/Thu next week that could be comparable to last weeks storm. With the caveat of “way out there” of course.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Feb 8, 2022 19:56:27 GMT -6
The similarities are pretty striking between the GHD storm and the storm next week for sure. Some interesting trends on the models today, with a stronger lead wave and surface ridge working in over the top and colder airmass. More of a wintry look overall.
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 8, 2022 20:10:05 GMT -6
Jet across the lakes back building- euro backs it too much for us- and the digging wave in the SW. Looks quite similar
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Post by Tilawn on Feb 8, 2022 20:15:27 GMT -6
The only good thing (in my eyes) about last week weather is the invoicing that happened today. 🤣🤣
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Post by ndolan387 on Feb 8, 2022 20:48:56 GMT -6
Something I find a little interesting - there is a slight uptick in arctic sea ice coverage over the last 2-3 years, when compared to the previous 8 or 9 years. It may just be noise, but there is a slight trend there back in the other direction. nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/Also, nobody wants to talk about the GFS eh? Looks awfully familiar. Trends... I keep track of this pretty closely. I know Friv does as well. This is almost certainly noise. The planetary energy imbalance has now increased to +0.87 W/m2 with the ocean buffering most of the excess heat. In fact, the ocean took another 14 zetajoules of excess energy in 2021. The ocean can only buffer so much before the atmosphere and cryosphere are forced to equilibriate with it though. Laymen terms please? Are you saying the oceans as a global scale as a whole are warmer than they ever have been right now? The amount of energy in the warm oceans right now. I thought Chris shared a post from Ryan Maue mentioning how colder ocean temps are maybe leading to a record cyclone in terms of pressure. Sorry I'm an amateur to knowing what happens in the oceans. Other than some of the indexes, basic idea of La Nina and El Nino, this is all foreign language to me! Thanks!
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Post by jeffcobeeman on Feb 8, 2022 22:58:11 GMT -6
Well, I'm going to jinx the chances for anymore meaningful snow this winter. I am ordering a snow plow for my ATV this week. Heck... it may jinx our chances for the next couple winters!
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 8, 2022 22:58:28 GMT -6
00z gfs is a progressive wave with some post frontal winter weather. 00z ggem is a cutter.
Neither option is that appealing. At least they both have a storm at this range.
Edit: 00z gfs ensembles look a lot more interesting than the operational run, so that’s good.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 8, 2022 23:32:26 GMT -6
GEFS looks pretty good
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Feb 9, 2022 7:03:07 GMT -6
robins! Now if i can just keep them from pecking at my screen windows to build their nests and if i can keep them from nesting in my dryer vent.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 9, 2022 7:27:49 GMT -6
Safe to say the EPS isn’t as excited about snow chances as the GEFS. Few big runs in there though.
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Post by cardsnweather on Feb 9, 2022 8:33:39 GMT -6
Safe to say the EPS isn’t as excited about snow chances as the GEFS. Few big runs in there though. Thanks for always sharing the ensembles. I'll take #26. 12" in 6 hours would be fun...
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Post by mosue56 on Feb 9, 2022 9:14:02 GMT -6
Even enough snow to re-cover the grass again would be fine! 3-4 inches! And no clear stuff first!
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Post by bdgwx on Feb 9, 2022 9:59:35 GMT -6
I keep track of this pretty closely. I know Friv does as well. This is almost certainly noise. The planetary energy imbalance has now increased to +0.87 W/m2 with the ocean buffering most of the excess heat. In fact, the ocean took another 14 zetajoules of excess energy in 2021. The ocean can only buffer so much before the atmosphere and cryosphere are forced to equilibriate with it though. Laymen terms please? Are you saying the oceans as a global scale as a whole are warmer than they ever have been right now? The amount of energy in the warm oceans right now. I thought Chris shared a post from Ryan Maue mentioning how colder ocean temps are maybe leading to a record cyclone in terms of pressure. Sorry I'm an amateur to knowing what happens in the oceans. Other than some of the indexes, basic idea of La Nina and El Nino, this is all foreign language to me! Thanks! The ocean from 0-2000 meters globally is warmer than it has been in at least 60 years. Some areas and layers have actually cooled though most notably the high North Atlantic just south of Greenland. This is likely due to a decline in the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) which is a mechanism that transports heat from the low North Atlantic to the high North Atlantic. The Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI) is the net of the outgoing longwave radiation and incoming shortwave radiation at the top of atmosphere (TOA). A positive value means the system is gaining heat/energy. A negative value means the system is losing heat/energy. An EEI of 0.87 W/m2 over one year is 0.87 W/m2 * 510e12 m2 * 365.24 d * 24 h/d * 3600 s/h = 14 zetajoules. The energy is stored in 4 primary reservoirs: ocean, land, air, and cryosphere. The excess energy from a positive EEI is taken up by all 4 reservoirs. But the stored energy also moves from one reservoir to another. For example, El Nino increases the transfer from ocean to air while La Nina decreases it. That's why the air warms during an El Nino and cools during a La Nina. It's also why the rate of energy uptake in the ocean declines during El Nino and increases during La Nina. There are obviously several mechanisms that modulate the transfer of energy to/from the cryosphere as well. The cryosphere can be subdivided into sea-ice and land-ice. Sea-ice can be subdivided into NH and SH. There can be extended periods (decades) where the net energy transfer from the NH sea ice is zero or even negative (more freezing than melting) even though all of the other reservoirs have net energy gains. Eventually though the imbalance gets big enough that NH sea ice is forced to start taking on energy/heat again (more melting than freezing) to bring it into an equilibrium with the other reservoirs. Arctic sea ice will continue melting at some point. It might be 2030 or it might begin again this year. Either way it will continue to melt and decline eventually. BTW...as of Feb. 8th Antarctic sea ice in the SH is at its lowest extent for this date in the satellite era. And globally sea ice is at it's 2nd lowest area just a bit above 2017. For point of comparison 14 ZJ is enough to melt all of the Arctic sea ice with some left to spare or to raise the temperature of the atmosphere by 2.8 C. But because of the huge amount of thermal inertia in the ocean it can only raise the temperature of the first 200 meters of the ocean by 0.05 C or the first 2000 meters by a measly 0.005 C. The ocean has a lot of buffering capacity and keeps the climate of Earth relatively stable. About 89% of the gained energy goes into the ocean with the land taking 6%, the cryosphere taking 4%, and the air taking 1%. The ocean's buffering capacity essentially bottlenecks the gain/loss rate of the other reservoirs because heat/energy transfer is modulated by the temperature differential of the reservoirs. If the ocean surface increases by only 0.05 C then the air temperature increase is essentially capped at around 0.05 C as well give or take short term perturbations. I wasn't really tracking the Greenland cyclone so I can't comment on it too much unfortunately.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Feb 9, 2022 10:29:14 GMT -6
12z gfs is a Rainer for us next Wednesday night and Thursday.
Has a nice storm, but blocking over the top is too slow/too far west.
Additionally, there is a transfer of energy that prevents a nice backside snow.
Add it to the list of possibilities.
Worth noting it looks almost identical to the 00z ggem from last night, so probably give this outcome more weight at the moment.
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Post by bdgwx on Feb 9, 2022 10:30:51 GMT -6
I'm probably not adding a whole lot of value here since you guys have already been discussing it, but the EPS and GEFS ensembles both have a strong signal for a weather maker next week. Both show troughing to our west and both show plenty of QPF in association with it. The bigger question is...will it be mostly rain or mostly snow?
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Post by ajd446 on Feb 9, 2022 10:33:32 GMT -6
Im more interesded in getting a nice rain next week so we can wash off these roads. I am Tired of all the salt.
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