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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 15, 2022 22:18:39 GMT -6
And all of this nudging south really doesn't mean much for the immediate metro area. Still a bunch of rain followed by a few hours of ice and snow that doesn't add up to much lol. Another 35-50 miles..then we're talking. Lol
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 15, 2022 22:21:40 GMT -6
Individual GEFS member snowfall
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 15, 2022 22:28:11 GMT -6
And all of this nudging south really doesn't mean much for the immediate metro area. Still a bunch of rain followed by a few hours of ice and snow that doesn't add up to much lol. Another 35-50 miles..then we're talking. Lol If the low goes across the bootheel... I think we will be surprised,
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 15, 2022 22:34:00 GMT -6
Yeah coz I do agree with ya on that. I have a feeling this is as far south as we see though. Maybe even a bit north again tomorrow. A few of those gefs look mighty fine though. Sexy
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 15, 2022 22:36:33 GMT -6
Please don't say sexy
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Post by jeffcobeeman on Feb 15, 2022 22:37:11 GMT -6
Man... the wind is howling tonight!
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 15, 2022 22:39:13 GMT -6
You are one sexy dude coz. Anyway..next week is really looking very interesting. I wont say the s word again.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 15, 2022 22:41:34 GMT -6
Man... the wind is howling tonight! Our flag was half way ripped off the pole earlier and a neighbor had their basketball hoop taken down. A tad bit breezy.
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Post by jeffcobeeman on Feb 15, 2022 22:41:51 GMT -6
You are one sexy dude coz. Anyway..next week is really looking very interesting. I wont say the s word again. I hope that look for next week is better than this storm!
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Post by amstilost on Feb 15, 2022 22:50:55 GMT -6
This house is creeking from the wind also. 55* 7 miles west of De Soto. Bummer, no pukey emoticon on here. Should of used the phone.
Finally over dealing with norovirus, stomach flu whatever the h%#$ it was. Nasty little bug. Hard as h#@$ on an old person too. This year is starting out as screwed up as the last 2 years have been.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 15, 2022 22:52:55 GMT -6
And... to add intrigue... the Canadian is actually further north tonight. And the UK seems to have deleted northern Illinois from the storm almost entirely.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 15, 2022 23:06:50 GMT -6
I have to say... my going forecast looks to be in really good shape right now. A couple of minor... mostly cosmetic changes to the forecast... but nothing major. I'm triming up the range over our far northern counties... 3 to 5 inches. This results in a slight broadening of the next forecast tier to the south... with 1 to 3 inches. Otherwise...not much change....
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 15, 2022 23:10:49 GMT -6
I think temps falling well into the 20s during the event should be noted.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 15, 2022 23:23:00 GMT -6
I think temps falling well into the 20s during the event should be noted. Yeah... only doing one show per day limits my opportunities. I wanted to feel more comfortable with the idea that it was actually still going to be precipitating as temps crashed. The 00z data is helping with that. I expect a much bigger focus on the Thursday evening rush tomorrow.
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 15, 2022 23:38:08 GMT -6
If not be early afternoon
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Post by landscaper on Feb 15, 2022 23:42:30 GMT -6
I agree with you Coz , most models now have change over 8am-12am with temps rapidly falling. Last storm, actually beat the coldest guidance by a decent amount. This set up is not that far off, if we continue to have that weaker surface low further south, you will likely see that cold air bleed in quicker. Probably a decent sleet threat on Thursday afternoon.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 16, 2022 0:09:33 GMT -6
Euro looks just about the same as last run.
Heaviest snow band just to the NW of the metro
Metro gets messy bag of ice/sleet/snow
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Post by landscaper on Feb 16, 2022 0:14:30 GMT -6
Euro looks awesome, a mix of ice and snow, probably 1-3” of frozen precipitation for the metro from north to south. The heavier band 3-6” is not far from st Charles county. Hopefully the EPS looks good tonight. I think we’re in a decent spot, much better than 24 hours ago. One more 20-30 mile south drop and the whole metro would be in for a nice little event
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Post by amstilost on Feb 16, 2022 0:28:26 GMT -6
I just seen a post from NWS San Diego 6 hrs. ago of thundersnow around Lake Arrowhead. Hopefully a good sign of 'something'. At least I beat Snowstorm to this one. I don't know how to get a twitter feed pic onto the page without using a link. I have seen it done here so I know it's possible.
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Post by amstilost on Feb 16, 2022 0:49:20 GMT -6
Looking at satellite pics and loops of SoCal, it looks like a wildfire near the area. There is reports and video of snow and thunder on Twitter, along with several Jim Cantore videos.
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Post by amstilost on Feb 16, 2022 1:14:45 GMT -6
It looks like the Fire Temperature spectrum is down but the Dust spectrum sure makes it look like a fire. Could the ash/particles blown into an ongoing snowstorm cause lightning? Don't get no ideas, I won't name names.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 16, 2022 1:53:57 GMT -6
Spent the better part of the last hour plotting surface low and 850 low tracks (for as long as one is identifiable) and there is strong agreement on an 850mb low track from near Joplin...up to around Salem, MO.... up to near the Jefferson/Ste. Genevieve County line... then across the river on the north side of the Kaskaskia River over to about Salem, IL. Further south, there is strong agreeement in the surface low track from northwest Arkansas up around Cape Girardeau over to just north of Evansville, IN. This paints an axis for the heaviest snow from near Butler Missouri... up to Columbia and continuing to about Bowling Green then across the river to near Peoria IL. Going up to 300mb, there is agreement with the coupling jet structure for a couple of hours roughly near/north of I-70 across northern Missouri. This forcing looks to be the strongest Thursday morning and then colapses rapidly Thursday afternoon into Thursday evening. The European ensemble mean snowfall is in excellent agreement with the 850/sfc features. The axis is dead on with what you would expect from the 850mb and surface low track. Ensembles are an excellent tool for identifying the axis of heaviest snow... but they almost always over-estimate the width of the significant snow band as a result of averaging. This should be a pretty narrow band of heavier snow...running roughly one to two counties either side of the axis with an extremely sharp cut-off north and south of the axis. I've developed a bit of an adhoc way of fine tuning the edges that has worked with some success. I generally lop off everthing outside the snowfall contour that matches half the value of max snowfall band. In this case...using a conservative 8 inches as the max value... I'll go to the 4" contour and lop off almost everything lighter than that. The rest becomes massaging the gradient near the 4" mark. That probably doesn't make much sense when you read it... but it makes perfect sense in my mind If the 12z data follows up with what we've seen at 00z... I think I'll need to bump up the totals a bit northwest of of the Cuivre River...but then I think I'm still in great shape south of there. But I want to see another round of data before I make any more adjustments. I would expect the Winter Storm Watch to be expanded south by a row of counties... or a warning to be issued. Either way... I think Pike County gets into the Winter Storm Watch/Warning...with an advisory all the way down to the Meramec River before all is said and done.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 16, 2022 2:01:36 GMT -6
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Feb 16, 2022 2:55:42 GMT -6
06Z nam is colder.
The immediate metro gets about 3-4 hours of heavy sleet ending as light snow
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Post by landscaper on Feb 16, 2022 3:18:04 GMT -6
Nice it be nice to see it come south again today’s runs
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Post by Tilawn on Feb 16, 2022 5:17:33 GMT -6
SHORT TERM... (Through Late Thursday Afternoon) Issued at 424 AM CST Wed Feb 16 2022
...A strong storm system will bring the potential for flooding, severe weather, and a mix of winter weather impacts through tomorrow...
Here are updated key messages regarding this upcoming significant storm system to impact the region late Wednesday through Thursday:
1.) While models have come into better agreement with the track of the system, though the remains some disagreement in the exact amounts of wintry precipitation (snow, sleet, and icing amounts).
2.) Training of heavy rainfall and thunderstorms is likely across portions of the area this evening through Thursday, generally centric to I-44 in MO and I-70 in IL. These conditions could lead to nuisance areal flooding and minor river flooding. Therefore, a Flood Watch remains in effect for these areas.
3.) Significant wintry precip in the form of heavy snow, sleet, and freezing rain: is most likely to occur across northeast Missouri and west central Illinois late Wednesday night through Thursday evening. The Winter Storm Watch has been been expanded to include parts of central Missouri where a total amount of snow, sleet, and freezing rain may cause significant impacts.
4.) Severe thunderstorms are possible, particularly over parts of southeast Missouri into southwest Illinois, on Thursday morning into early Thursday afternoon.
The latest water vapor analysis is showing that the upper low has dropped into the southwest CONUS and the northern stream trough as moved into the northern High Plains. There continues to be overall agreement in tonight`s guidance that the southwestern trough will move through the Midwest just ahead of the northern stream trough on Thursday. Ahead of this trough, rain will develop across the northern part of the CWA late this morning and then spread south as mid level ascent and low level moisture transport increases ahead of the trough. Then rain will become widespread across the area this evening as there will be strong mid level frontogenesis, a coupled jet structure, and PWATS climbing about 1.0". In addition, there will be a chance of thunderstorms over much of the southern half of the area as MUCAPES will be up to 500 J/kg.
A cold front will enter the northern CWA this evening and move slowly south. The front will be slowed as a surface low moves along it, most likely across the southern CWA on Thursday in response to the upper trough moving across the area. This will bring a round of sleet and freezing rain north of the front before the changeover to snow. In addition, there is good agreement that a deformation zone will move across northeast Missouri and west central Illinois on Thursday associated with the upper low that will be capable of producing a round of heavy snow. There is still a wide range the snowfall values in the ensemble guidance over the northwest CWA owing to slight difference in the tracks of the deformation zone and QPF amounts which is leading to uncertainty this close to the forecast time.
There remains the potential for a few severe storms Thursday morning and afternoon along the low track over southeast Missouri into southwest Illinois. While MUCAPES will only be around 500 J/kg, low and mid layer shear will be more that sufficient for a few organized severe storms capable of producing damaging winds and a tornado or two and possibly some large hail.
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Post by Tilawn on Feb 16, 2022 5:44:18 GMT -6
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Post by ElburnDave on Feb 16, 2022 6:09:39 GMT -6
The numbers on the northern half of that map seem like they might be a touch off.
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Post by Tilawn on Feb 16, 2022 6:16:57 GMT -6
The numbers on the northern half of that map seem like they might be a touch off. I think you are correct. Didn’t even notice that.
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Post by landscaper on Feb 16, 2022 6:23:21 GMT -6
It will be interesting for sure less than an inch of snow and ice in St Charles county , I will take the over on that one. NWS definitely down playing the frozen precipitation in our area for sure.
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