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Post by Chris Higgins on Feb 16, 2022 15:14:34 GMT -6
Careful, technically they're not wrong.... yet. lol Was just thinking that we haven’t really had a “bust” yet this season…….. Ooooooook.. you have tempted the gods. I may just call in sick tomorrow because I'm afraid of what might happen now lol.
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 16, 2022 15:15:45 GMT -6
RGEM is still a big sleet fest as well
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Post by landscaper on Feb 16, 2022 15:18:46 GMT -6
RGEM still looks good, change over 9am or so . The hi res models are really honing in on a period of likely heavy sleet between 12-5pm time frame could make for a rough evening commute. Chris or Coz what do you guys see in the soundings for the afternoon? Any chance during the heavy rates we kick over to snow or do you see mostly sleet? I know the last storm was modeled similar to this one during round one. We were supposed to stay sleet for quite a while but along and north of I70we changed over after about an hour or so and we picked up a quick 2-4” along I 70
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Post by Tilawn on Feb 16, 2022 15:19:49 GMT -6
Was just thinking that we haven’t really had a “bust” yet this season…….. Ooooooook.. you have tempted the gods. I may just call in sick tomorrow because I'm afraid of what might happen now lol. Sorry……not sorry…….it really want to call in sick tomorrow!! I hate this scenario. Gets my blood pressure rising
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 16, 2022 15:38:25 GMT -6
RGEM still looks good, change over 9am or so . The hi res models are really honing in on a period of likely heavy sleet between 12-5pm time frame could make for a rough evening commute. Chris or Coz what do you guys see in the soundings for the afternoon? Any chance during the heavy rates we kick over to snow or do you see mostly sleet? I know the last storm was modeled similar to this one during round one. We were supposed to stay sleet for quite a while but along and north of I70we changed over after about an hour or so and we picked up a quick 2-4” along I 70 Canadian models soundings show it could certainly turn to all snow by 200-300pm... others still have that warm wedge.
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 16, 2022 15:59:00 GMT -6
On the cold side of this transition zone, moderate to heavy snow can be expected during the late morning and afternoon. High-resolution ensemble guidance and the National Blend of Models (NBM) show very high (>90%) probabilities of 0.5"/hr snowfall rates Thursday afternoon in northeast Missouri and west-central Illinois. The 12Z HREF, being more spatially resolved horizontally and vertically, has 80% probabilities of 1"/hr snowfall rates during this time. Conceptually, these values match well with a deeper DGZ and a band of 850-700mb frontogenesis depicted in deterministic global and mesoscale guidance. 6" of snow is becoming increasingly likely, supported by high probabilities of that value from the NBM, but localized amounts within the band exceeding 10" is certainly a possible outcome as suggested by high-resolution guidance. One notable area of uncertainty is the continued southerly shift of the guidance, which would have an impact on the axis of heavier snow. Within some high- resolution ensembles (the HREF 3.0 in particular) a bimodal distribution of where the heaviest snow can be seen. This forecast represents a shift to the south but this guidance suggests that there could be room to move even further south. The 25th/75th percentile ranges on our official forecast also depict the uncertainty of where that axis of heaviest snow falls.
South of the snow, rain will transition to freezing rain and sleet during the late morning/early afternoon on Thursday. While the cold air will move south with great pace during this time, the depth of that cold air is quite shallow. A glaze of freezing rain is increasingly likely, but amounts could be kept in check by the strong winds expected tomorrow. There is some increasing concern that measurable sleet will fall along the I-70 and I-44 corridors during the afternoon, according to model soundings showing a slightly deeper cold layer that would allow for sleet refreezing. This will not only add to the increasingly-treacherous conditions on the roadways, but also may cool the roadways more rapidly than anticipated. Luckily, temperatures for the last few days were well into the 60s and the roads will take a few hours at the least to cool. However, temperatures will likely be below freezing for several hours with precipitation falling, which will lead to ice forming on roadways (both from falling freezing rain and freezing of rain that has already fallen). While exactly how long this cooldown of the roads takes is uncertain, the impacts for the evening commute will likely be notable and travel is discouraged at this time.
As the 850mb low shunts east of the region and the entire column cools below freezing, a transition to snow will occur. However, limited moisture will exist within the DGZ, leaving light snow as the p-type where any precipitation is falling within the deformation zone of the departing low. Temperatures will plummet into the single digits overnight as high pressure, clear skies, and weaker winds dominate.
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Post by amstilost on Feb 16, 2022 16:13:34 GMT -6
Looking at surface temps Des Moines, IA is 33* which is 2* warmer than what the RAP 20z run shows for 22z. Sioux City,IA is at 34* and the same model has them at 31* at 22z which is in 5 minutes. Most recent surface temp I have is from 17 minutes ago. They also did not get as warm as we did today. Sioux City warmed to 36* at 3pm and Des Moines warmed to 46* at 8am it looks like. Looks like the 21Rap might be is also 3* colder at 4pm than surface obs.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Feb 16, 2022 16:42:10 GMT -6
Strong pressure rises behind the boundary...that's a good sign. The freeze line is roughly 75-100mi behind it.
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Post by ajd446 on Feb 16, 2022 16:48:44 GMT -6
Now brings up the wonder of the warning at anypoint being brought into the metro. And great job chris with the thoughts of a strong advisory, as they literally half 1/2 inch of sleet in the product which is basically warning criteria itself
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Post by landscaper on Feb 16, 2022 17:19:31 GMT -6
Honestly who cares weather it’s a warning or advisory. At this point they have everything covered very well.
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Post by ajd446 on Feb 16, 2022 17:23:29 GMT -6
Already see francis howell schools are closed tomorrow, and fort zumwalt is e learning
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 16, 2022 17:24:41 GMT -6
Glen didnt mention sleet a single time. Did mention thunder freezing rain. So, uh, there's that.
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Post by jeepers on Feb 16, 2022 18:00:31 GMT -6
Glen didnt mention sleet a single time. Did mention thunder freezing rain. So, uh, there's that. ……ugh
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 16, 2022 18:15:38 GMT -6
As Chris said though..heavy freezing rain just basically rolls off...and the wind will be strong also. Thunder freezing rain won't do much. Thunder sleet would be cool though.
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Post by jeepers on Feb 16, 2022 18:27:52 GMT -6
Yeah, I guess if we get anything freezing that isn’t snow, we might as well get a weird fun show out of the deal. Bring it!
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 16, 2022 18:46:40 GMT -6
18z euro appears a tick south
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Post by landscaper on Feb 16, 2022 18:49:51 GMT -6
I thought the thing, looks a touch colder in the levels as well
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 16, 2022 19:05:46 GMT -6
18z euro appears a tick south Ensembles we’re just a tick south as well There trying to sneak that heavy snow band into the NW metro
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Post by landscaper on Feb 16, 2022 19:09:16 GMT -6
Snow what does the op snow map look like? It looks like it switches over to snow sooner around 3pm this is similar to the Gems
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 16, 2022 19:15:42 GMT -6
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 16, 2022 19:21:37 GMT -6
Thats a heavy-duty hit of sleet and even some snow in the metro on the 00z HRRR around lunchtime tomorrow
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 16, 2022 19:28:11 GMT -6
Verbatim... has 2" sleet 2-4" snow across the immediate metro
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 16, 2022 19:33:24 GMT -6
Verbatim... has 2" sleet 2-4" snow across the immediate metro what? the euro?
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 16, 2022 19:35:12 GMT -6
00 HRRR
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Post by cozpregon on Feb 16, 2022 19:37:18 GMT -6
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Post by ElKay23 - Columbia, IL on Feb 16, 2022 19:41:32 GMT -6
Verbatim... has 2" sleet 2-4" snow across the immediate metro what? the euro? Haha, I thought Verbatim was a model I didn’t know about.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 16, 2022 19:54:06 GMT -6
NAM looks a bit quicker with the cold this run
Has most of the metro at or below freezing by 9am
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Post by Snowman99 on Feb 16, 2022 19:54:31 GMT -6
Looks like the NAM is a skosh colder, has fr rain at 9am.
Edit..shut up 920. Lol
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Feb 16, 2022 19:59:46 GMT -6
The amount of lift on some of the soundings for tomorrow is pretty crazy
Whatever is does tomorrow, it’s going to come down in buckets
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Post by Sparkman - Wildwood, Mo on Feb 16, 2022 19:59:53 GMT -6
Looks like the NAM is a skosh colder, has fr rain at 9am. Edit..shut up 920. Lol It’s uncanny. This cracks me up every time.
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