giarC71
Wishcaster
Posts: 220
Snowfall Events: Blizzard of'82 I became addicted to weather
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Post by giarC71 on Dec 19, 2022 12:07:07 GMT -6
We are supposed to see Home Alone performed by the symphony on Thursday evening. That is not looking good. I would not mind seeing this thing start about 10 to 12 hours later than it is currently showing. We also have tickets. Deciding if we try to sell them or hope they cancel the show and receive a voucher. We have tickets too..Hope they move it.
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bob
Junior Forecaster
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Post by bob on Dec 19, 2022 12:09:17 GMT -6
Let’s hope Euro goes more south and east
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 19, 2022 12:14:27 GMT -6
Euro looks to be a heavy hitter
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 19, 2022 12:16:39 GMT -6
STL drops from 32 to 17 degrees in one hour on the Euro
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 19, 2022 12:22:09 GMT -6
wind chill -30 or lower thur night and fri morning on euro
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bob
Junior Forecaster
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Post by bob on Dec 19, 2022 12:23:18 GMT -6
Does Euro show heavy snow still west and north of us
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Dec 19, 2022 12:27:03 GMT -6
Does Euro show heavy snow still west and north of us Area wide 2-5 inches, blizzard conditions, temps around -10 F, and WC of -30 F. Snow increases as you move northeast through Illinois.
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 19, 2022 12:28:28 GMT -6
Does Euro show heavy snow still west and north of us 3+ for everyone in 10-1 ratios..5+ with Kuchera method.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 19, 2022 12:37:00 GMT -6
Ratios will be higher than 10:1, but not as high as the Kuchera is printing out
Cobb method has been pretty consistent around 15:1 which sounds reasonable
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2022 12:41:16 GMT -6
I'd say ratios will end up between 12 and 15:1...maybe closer to 10:1 to begin with.
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Post by weatherj on Dec 19, 2022 12:46:44 GMT -6
The snowfield seems very much aligned west to east across the cwa rather than sw to ne with a sharp cutoff to the se. I'm guessing due to the fact this is a hybrid and not an amplified true S stream system.
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Post by birdsonthebat (MO'Fallon) on Dec 19, 2022 12:48:32 GMT -6
Interesting that Wentzville is treating the road with brine this afternoon?
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2022 12:55:40 GMT -6
Interesting that Wentzville is treating the road with brine this afternoon? IDOT has been treating the bridges and overpasses with brine for 2 months now. I guess they want them to degrade prematurely *shrug*
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Post by landscaper on Dec 19, 2022 12:59:07 GMT -6
Currently public forecasts are mostly snow with no rain that’s probably why they’re treating so early.
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Post by maddogchief on Dec 19, 2022 13:01:37 GMT -6
We have family coming to town the middle of next week. I know there was mention of some snow on the 26th but is there the potential for anything beyond that? Most signs point to a mild pattern heading into the New Year as the Polar Vortex strengthens and returns to the Pole. Not sure mild is a good way to describe it. Definitely not a blowtorch but also not grueling dangerous cold. I’m actually seeing a “normal” weather pattern developing. Temps look to hover around seasonal norms with ebbs and flows each way. I also wonder if the cold will depart as quickly as modeled, given the teleconnections and blocking. Time will tell.
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Post by RyanD on Dec 19, 2022 13:07:42 GMT -6
Recent model runs seem to want to scoot the cyclone off to the NE rather quickly as the system rapidly deepens. Quite different that earlier runs especially the GFS. What's the odds this thing stalls out near Chicago as the GFS showed yesterday? Seems with the blocking in place along with a rapidly deepening system that it would want to bomb out rather than scoot off into the Great Lakes before stalling out.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Dec 19, 2022 13:24:06 GMT -6
Most signs point to a mild pattern heading into the New Year as the Polar Vortex strengthens and returns to the Pole. Not sure mild is a good way to describe it. Definitely not a blowtorch but also not grueling dangerous cold. I’m actually seeing a “normal” weather pattern developing. Temps look to hover around seasonal norms with ebbs and flows each way. I also wonder if the cold will depart as quickly as modeled, given the teleconnections and blocking. Time will tell. Siberia is getting warm. Polar vortex is strengthening after this event. That is a setup for a mild pattern. These stretched PV events are easier to repeat than a full split though, so could be a temporary moderation. Hard not to have a mild pattern after it gets this cold, especially when your source region (Siberia) gets very warm.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2022 13:36:07 GMT -6
I'd be shocked if this pattern doesn't re-emerge after the pattern relaxes for a bit and resets. The cold retreats for sure next week...but Canada remains loaded with cold air so it's not far off.
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Post by Frivolousz21 on Dec 19, 2022 13:39:07 GMT -6
This will put my backyard over 12" on the season maybe even over 13". With almost all of our snow falling January to March it looks like 20-25" could be easily attainable.
If things go better than normal 30"+ is in the cards.
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Post by Chris Higgins on Dec 19, 2022 13:42:41 GMT -6
A big arctic outbreak is almost always followed up by a major warm-up. How long it lasts can be variable, but for every action, there is an equal or opposite reaction. Somebody smart said that once... and it certainly wasn't me
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Dec 19, 2022 13:48:12 GMT -6
A big arctic outbreak is almost always followed up by a major warm-up. How long it lasts can be variable, but for every action, there is an equal or opposite reaction. Somebody smart said that once... and it certainly wasn't me Well if somebody smart said it, and you say it wasnt you, then it must be me. Bahaha
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Post by mosue56 on Dec 19, 2022 13:53:43 GMT -6
What’s it looking like for early next week after Christmas?
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Post by Chris Higgins on Dec 19, 2022 13:54:33 GMT -6
Ok...this is where I'm going to start my forecast numbers... my first map for this storm. I'm still leaving it somewhat open ended... it is Monday after all. I should also clarify... that while I strongly feel that we need to focus on impact more than actual numbers... and that 1 vs 2 vs 4 inches won't make a ton of difference while the snow is falling... I do think that the duration of the major impacts would be extended considerably by a 6+ inch snow vs. 1-2-3-4 inch snow. It might take until Saturday to get roads in decent shape with a 6+ snow... vs sometime late Friday with a 1-2-3-4 inch storm. A LOT will depend on how well road crews will be able to stay on top of the blowing and drifting. Thursday evening through Friday morning look especially bad to me... with those 30+ mph winds and blowing snow. Clipper's... even hybrid clippers can by their very nature move faster than forecast... so it would not surprise me to see the period of intense snowfall tail off faster than modeled. So that's why I remain cautious on with snowfall totals... which will still be difficult to measure anyway. So... with all that... a blend of the 12z guidance...with a slight deduction for potentially faster motion. Here are my first set of numbers...
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2022 14:07:01 GMT -6
Yeah, unless the mid-level system trends further SW with it's track and we get the wrap around, it's looking like a 4-6hr(or less) hit of moderate/heavy snowfall Thursday afternoon/evening followed by blowing snow and drifting into the day on Friday with 35-40mph+ gusts. Whether it's 2" or 12", travel will be extremely hazardous with deadly wind chills. You don't want to end up stuck in a ditch and get caught out in those conditions...
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 19, 2022 14:12:56 GMT -6
Looks like the Springfield MO office just issued winter storm watches for there northern tier of counties
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2022 14:20:19 GMT -6
I still suspect that models may not be handling the energy transfer correctly...it just looks odd that the initial mid-level low that develops across MN is hundreds of miles from the digging vort max and jet nose. You can tell models want to develop a secondary mid-level circulation further S as that emerges into the front range and S Plains but they don't quite bring it together quick enough to re-develop the deformation/TROWAL across the region Fri AM.
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Post by stlfisherman on Dec 19, 2022 14:27:24 GMT -6
It's been a minute, I hope everyone is doing well. As you can imagine, the hive is buzzing here. Amazing that the weather community has been talking about this arctic cold front for almost a week now, and we are still three days away from it plowing through. Quite the testament to our advancement in computer weather models the past two decades. I can only think of maybe one or two cold fronts in my lifetime that have come through here with such vigor as we are all forecasting on Thursday. The sudden drop in temperature, increasingly strong wind, and burst of snow will make for quite the wintry snow-globe scene heading into the Christmas Holiday Weekend.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Dec 19, 2022 14:30:17 GMT -6
Great to hear from you, FISH!
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Post by Snowman99 on Dec 19, 2022 14:30:44 GMT -6
Hi fish. Good to hear from ya!
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Dec 19, 2022 14:31:31 GMT -6
Hey Fish! Don't be a stranger around here
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