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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Mar 6, 2023 8:30:24 GMT -6
The last couple runs of the euro have said “what cold?” and try to build a ridge behind the system next week. I hope it’s right honestly That ridge/omega block across the Aleutians is straight up fugly...that was previously forecast to push towards mainland AK/BC with hints of a -EPO but models changed their tune.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Mar 6, 2023 9:33:38 GMT -6
Last nights euro hardly even gets the area below freezing through the 15th lol
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Post by koll27–Waterloo, IL on Mar 6, 2023 9:42:51 GMT -6
Last nights euro hardly even gets the area below freezing through the 15th lol At this point, let's cut our losses and get to spring. We have baseball tournaments coming up, and I just know that we are going to freeze our you know whats off.
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Post by mosue56 on Mar 6, 2023 9:48:38 GMT -6
Just so we don’t get any freezing clear precip! It had its chance! Spring is arriving soon and we turn our clocks forward Sat night. Enough of winter now!
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Post by STGOutdoors on Mar 6, 2023 10:09:52 GMT -6
He’s my NLROTY Obviously slightly biased being a cardinals fan lol The offense is going to be a juggernaut. Especially if Noot can backup his second half. All of the underlying analytics suggest he is going to be awesome I agree, I think this offense will be powerful. However, I expect Noot to be relegated to a bench/rotating outfield player by the All-star Break to be honest. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not seeing what a lot of others seem to be with him. Our downfall potential is high with the starting rotation. Waino's velocity is down so far, and that continues a trend from the latter part of last year. Father time has caught up to that arm. Mikolas should be a stable force. Who the hell knows with Jack. And the others are inconsistent and can't stay healthy. Monty is a hugely important pitcher this year. I see them seeking some help via trade mid-year. All that being said, it should be a fun team to watch, I just hope the arms can hold out. Should have held on to Quintana.
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Post by koll27–Waterloo, IL on Mar 6, 2023 10:23:23 GMT -6
The offense is going to be a juggernaut. Especially if Noot can backup his second half. All of the underlying analytics suggest he is going to be awesome I agree, I think this offense will be powerful. However, I expect Noot to be relegated to a bench/rotating outfield player by the All-star Break to be honest. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not seeing what a lot of others seem to be with him. Our downfall potential is high with the starting rotation. Waino's velocity is down so far, and that continues a trend from the latter part of last year. Father time has caught up to that arm. Mikolas should be a stable force. Who the hell knows with Jack. And the others are inconsistent and can't stay healthy. Monty is a hugely important pitcher this year. I see them seeking some help via trade mid-year. All that being said, it should be a fun team to watch, I just hope the arms can hold out. Should have held on to Quintana. If Lars can get consistent, he is a plus defender with a plus arm. I have no problem with an outfield of O'Neill, Noot, and Walker. Walker is the real deal, reminds me of Aaron Judge.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Mar 6, 2023 10:33:29 GMT -6
Nootbaar already has Ohtani “cracking the pepper” in Japan
Kid is a winner
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 11:24:05 GMT -6
I agree, I think this offense will be powerful. However, I expect Noot to be relegated to a bench/rotating outfield player by the All-star Break to be honest. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not seeing what a lot of others seem to be with him. Our downfall potential is high with the starting rotation. Waino's velocity is down so far, and that continues a trend from the latter part of last year. Father time has caught up to that arm. Mikolas should be a stable force. Who the hell knows with Jack. And the others are inconsistent and can't stay healthy. Monty is a hugely important pitcher this year. I see them seeking some help via trade mid-year. All that being said, it should be a fun team to watch, I just hope the arms can hold out. Should have held on to Quintana. If Lars can get consistent, he is a plus defender with a plus arm. I have no problem with an outfield of O'Neill, Noot, and Walker. Walker is the real deal, reminds me of Aaron Judge. We have so many good depth pieces on the position player side I’m not worried about the shaky rotation. It seems obvious we will consolidate for a top of the rotation pitcher by the deadline to clear the log jam. I see the White Sox as a good trade partner. Giolito can be reunited with Flaherty.
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Post by Tilawn on Mar 6, 2023 13:11:03 GMT -6
Baseball talk has commenced……winter must be over 😂
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 13:28:33 GMT -6
Baseball talk has commenced……winter must be over 😂 Winter is the perfect bridge for a baseball enthusiast. Playoffs end in October and Spring Training begins in mid February. If I lived further north, it would be a seamless transition.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Mar 6, 2023 13:33:02 GMT -6
Models are starting to show another high impact, long duration atmospheric River event for California. Snow levels look to be much higher than the last events. Could spell major trouble.
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Post by dschreib on Mar 6, 2023 13:53:48 GMT -6
The offense is going to be a juggernaut. Especially if Noot can backup his second half. All of the underlying analytics suggest he is going to be awesome I agree, I think this offense will be powerful. However, I expect Noot to be relegated to a bench/rotating outfield player by the All-star Break to be honest. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not seeing what a lot of others seem to be with him. Our downfall potential is high with the starting rotation. Waino's velocity is down so far, and that continues a trend from the latter part of last year. Father time has caught up to that arm. Mikolas should be a stable force. Who the hell knows with Jack. And the others are inconsistent and can't stay healthy. Monty is a hugely important pitcher this year. I see them seeking some help via trade mid-year. All that being said, it should be a fun team to watch, I just hope the arms can hold out. Should have held on to Quintana. Waino should throw 100% breaking balls. It's not like he's going to do any long-term damage. Rivera threw one pitch most of his career. Give it a whirl.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 14:18:26 GMT -6
I agree, I think this offense will be powerful. However, I expect Noot to be relegated to a bench/rotating outfield player by the All-star Break to be honest. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not seeing what a lot of others seem to be with him. Our downfall potential is high with the starting rotation. Waino's velocity is down so far, and that continues a trend from the latter part of last year. Father time has caught up to that arm. Mikolas should be a stable force. Who the hell knows with Jack. And the others are inconsistent and can't stay healthy. Monty is a hugely important pitcher this year. I see them seeking some help via trade mid-year. All that being said, it should be a fun team to watch, I just hope the arms can hold out. Should have held on to Quintana. Waino should throw 100% breaking balls. It's not like he's going to do any long-term damage. Rivera threw one pitch most of his career. Give it a whirl. That wouldn’t work. Rich Hill shows about the point of diminishing returns on curves as a % of total pitches. You need something to make the pitch more deceptive and to keep the batter guessing. He has the tight curve in the dirt with 2 strikes and the loopy one he can steal a strike on. His spin rate on the curve is very good still which means he has a chance to survive the year. He needs to throw 88-89mph with the fastball with great location to catch batters sitting on the curve. Wainwright would “freeze” a lot of batters the last 2 years with that fastball/cutter right on the corner. Rivera had a hard cutter and was a unicorn.
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Post by landscaper on Mar 6, 2023 16:12:57 GMT -6
When is the Big “SSW” supposed to hit and give us lots of cold? Just asking for a friend
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Post by Tilawn on Mar 6, 2023 17:09:05 GMT -6
When is the Big “SSW” supposed to hit and give us lots of cold? Just asking for a friend 😂😂 good one…….
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Post by Snowman99 on Mar 6, 2023 17:14:59 GMT -6
Cancelled. It's cancelled. Winter was cancelled the day after Christmas.
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Post by twocat on Mar 6, 2023 17:25:51 GMT -6
I was walking with a friend this morning at 370 Lake Park here in St. Pete. There were quite a few of those pesky gnats/noseeums/whatevers. Way too early to be "bugged' by them but we were.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 17:30:36 GMT -6
When is the Big “SSW” supposed to hit and give us lots of cold? Just asking for a friend Ukmet gives me 10 inches of snow… Remember when we said the SSW is good for regional impacts not for predicting hyper localized impacts?
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Mar 6, 2023 17:57:56 GMT -6
Snowfall in Chicago is a hyper localized impact though, no?
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 18:26:18 GMT -6
Snowfall in Chicago is a hyper localized impact though, no? Part of the Upper Midwest getting a bunch of snow, so no. Chicago and STL are in different regions of the country. The SSW can produce impacts from Asia to Europe to different parts of the US. It is not meant to predict snowfall at a county or metro level. It can be thought of more from a probability standpoint at large geographical levels, not in binary yes or no outcomes at a backyard level.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 18:36:42 GMT -6
Let’s put it in baseball terms.
Before the SSW it was like the Central US had Paul Dejong up to bat.
Then the SSW came and we put Paul Goldschmidt in as a pinch hitter.
Our odds of getting a hit went way up, but certainly there was no guarantee of success.
I’ll add that the gfs and ggem are far from warm and there is a potential storm this weekend.
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Post by landscaper on Mar 6, 2023 18:58:22 GMT -6
That’s so funny, no one on here cares about the upper Midwest or Chicagos snow totals they normally receive 2-4 times our snow. My point is the current SSW looks to have nearly zero effects on snow and very minor temperature differences compared to normal here. Yes the gem and gfs show a few cold dry days but very little opportunity for snow. Again I’m only stating what is being modeled currently, maybe it will change.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 19:02:01 GMT -6
That’s so funny, no one on here cares about the upper Midwest or Chicagos snow totals they normally receive 2-4 times our snow. My point is the current SSW looks to have nearly zero effects on snow and very minor temperature differences compared to normal here. Yes the gem and gfs show a few cold dry days but very little opportunity for snow. Again I’m only stating what is being modeled currently, maybe it will change. You missed the entire point. I know you don’t care about Chicago. My point is you are misstating and/or misinterpreting the correlation between snow/cold and SSW. You are either being purposely intellectually dishonest or obtuse. It is not a point forecast tool. It is that simple.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Mar 6, 2023 19:09:01 GMT -6
Genuine question because I don't know the answer. Can you correlate the upcoming snow for the upper Midwest to the SSW event? I thought the impacts of the SSW event were going to take hold in mid-March. The upcoming snow and cold for the upper Midwest isn't really unusual for this time of year. And if anything the upper Midwest is running above average temp wise the next 7 days.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 19:14:34 GMT -6
Genuine question because I don't know the answer. Can you correlate the upcoming snow for the upper Midwest to the SSW event? I thought the impacts of the SSW event were going to take hold in mid-March. The upcoming snow and cold for the upper Midwest isn't really unusual for this time of year. And if anything the upper Midwest is running above average temp wise the next 7 days. I think you can definitely tie it together. There was clear stratospheric to trophospheric coupling that aligns well with the timing of the potential winter storm. This is extremely visible on the GEFS Polar Cap Height chart which shows the classic “drip” beginning on March 5th and continuing through the 14th. There were clear trends with an AO trending down over the last week or so. Over a 30-year average it is not unusual for it to snow in the Upper Midwest in March. However, this winter has not been average so that might not be the best way to compare. Would we be torching if the SSW didn’t happen? Potentially. Also, correlation is not causation and correlation is relative. It’s just frustrating when people try to take pot shots when the SSW is a valuable tool in the tool belt. Probabilities and distributions have nuance. Some on here twist those into absolutes when nobody else was presenting them that way.
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Post by maddogchief on Mar 6, 2023 19:20:42 GMT -6
Here are the snow totals for arguably one of the snowiest places in the lower 48 that is not a mountain. www.keweenawcountyonline.org/snowfall2.phpYou can see the departure from last year, and it really shows where the predominant winds were from Jan-present. Most of the snow in the Upper Midwest is from system snow instead of the lake machine this year. Some areas in the Upper Midwest have really struggled this year snow wise. Economically speaking, they’re doing really well because they are the only ones with rideable snow. If you ever have the chance to go to the Northwoods for winter, I strongly suggest going.
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Post by landscaper on Mar 6, 2023 19:50:34 GMT -6
There’s no pot shots, I was just pointing out facts, I was never the one talking over and over about how the pattern would change and turn “cold and snowy “ I’ve said it many times, most of these SSWs do not have a big effect on our weather, yes at times they do but it’s more rare than happening.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Mar 6, 2023 19:58:15 GMT -6
There’s no pot shots, I was just pointing out facts, I was never the one talking over and over about how the pattern would change and turn “cold and snowy “ I’ve said it many times, most of these SSWs do not have a big effect on our weather, yes at times they do but it’s more rare than happening. I said heightened risk man. Get out of here with that garbage.
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Post by beaker - Dardenne Prairie, MO on Mar 6, 2023 20:34:04 GMT -6
At this point, interest should be turning toward the potential for late cool season freezes, especially with the trees budding and perennials already coming up. But no matter what we end up fine. I've exchanged messages with mets who are falling back on the "we never said there'd extreme cold, and we never said there'd be snow in this part of the country"...but I don't even know at this point if last week's 2 week forecast of below normal temps and above normal precip would even verify. Let's hope it doesn't. The most miserable but common St. Louis winter feature is prolonged rains with temps in the 30s and 40s. I don't think any of us like that, but mother nature said, "oh, you think cold and rain is bad, hold my beer, I will add winds". Today may have been absolutely gorgious but I was inside not feeling well, so I have no idea.
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Post by Snowman99 on Mar 6, 2023 20:51:10 GMT -6
Snow is a uniter, this winter has been, and is, a divider lol.
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