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Post by Snowman99 on Apr 2, 2023 5:52:48 GMT -6
Lol enhanced risk. North and South.
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Post by ajd446 on Apr 2, 2023 5:55:49 GMT -6
Looks like metro st.louis points north is the target for tuesday, the missouri river is the dividing line
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Apr 2, 2023 6:03:42 GMT -6
Looks like we maybe heading into a 'Super El Nino' this Summer and into the fall and Winter. Not surprising how long we've been in La Nina. Question is how strong really and placement with the GFS showing a basin wide El Nino (and the strongest signal), while the Canadian shows a central based (Modoki El Nino) with a moderate signal. If we can get to a basin wide intense El Nino soon in 1-3 months Summer could be quite mild and wet but next winter will surely torch and probably be drier. Weaker central signal would mean a seasonable Summer, but possibly better Winter barring other factors.
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Post by Snowman99 on Apr 2, 2023 7:12:51 GMT -6
Looks like metro st.louis points north is the target for tuesday, the missouri river is the dividing line Way too early to say that for sure
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Post by ajd446 on Apr 2, 2023 7:16:42 GMT -6
I know Snowman, I was referring to the current map in our area, before I realized you posted the split in the enhanced. I apologize, we all have the threat, just lots depend on the cap.
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Post by ajd446 on Apr 2, 2023 7:41:41 GMT -6
YYPC what makes you think high risk
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Apr 2, 2023 8:01:56 GMT -6
Squall line seems to be the favored mode for the metro at this range.
Let’s see what today’s runs bring.
Also, keep the Super Nino away. No thanks
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 2, 2023 8:09:54 GMT -6
CSU is almost maxing itself out for Tuesday
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 2, 2023 8:51:38 GMT -6
Looks like the NAM wants to hold off any convention until very late Tuesday night
It then swings a line of broken supercells through with PDS TOR soundings present
Not ideal
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Post by guyatacomputer - NE St. Peters on Apr 2, 2023 11:15:02 GMT -6
CSU is almost maxing itself out for Tuesday That looks amazingly similar to last Friday. At first I thought you were talking about that.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 2, 2023 11:54:12 GMT -6
Even the UKMET has PDS TOR soundings late Tuesday night into early Wednesday morning
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Apr 2, 2023 12:07:24 GMT -6
Not a cloud in the sky. Adult beverage, smoked chicken, and some good music! Enjoy the day... you never know when you won't be able to. Here's to freedom, happiness, good fortune, and the best of friends! Have a great Sunday, folks!
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Apr 2, 2023 12:44:51 GMT -6
Hey WEAX, that's a dandy smoker...who makes that?
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Apr 2, 2023 12:48:17 GMT -6
Hey WEAX, that's a dandy smoker...who makes that? Got it at academy
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Apr 2, 2023 12:56:19 GMT -6
Thanks. That looks really well made, something that would last 10-20 years or more if you took good care of it. I need to upgrade my little smoker...
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Apr 2, 2023 13:24:38 GMT -6
My first mowing is finally under the belt. Guess my 'mowing by late February' didn't quite pan out. Pretty typical if not slightly later then usual start to the mowing season actually. If the later fall was warmer then it was last year it probably would of been one of the earlier starts to the lawn season. Maybe next year!
Mid Month looks quite summer-like with very impressive ridge borderline 'heat dome' building in. Could get active again towards the end of the month into the first 2 weeks of May.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Apr 2, 2023 13:31:14 GMT -6
The setup on Tuesday seems somewhat conditional for the area but potentially significant. Both the GFS and EURO show a disturbance lifting out of the Arklatex/Panhandle region that tracks across the area towards early evening. With a strong cap in place, that is going to keep much if any precip and cloudiness away during most of the day, allowing instability to build. If the mid-level cooling and subtle large-scale ascent is enough to break that cap before instability wanes a bit after dark, look out. We do come under the RER of a jetstreak in the S stream that may aid lift. Soundings show a S/SE surface wind that quickly veers to 60kts+ SWly in the mid-levels with some sickle shaped hodographs. If storms can fire with the 1500j/kg+ CAPE in place, they should have no problem rotating and the subtle forcing favors discrete mode initially until the stronger lift arrives from the upper trof nosing in well after dark and into Wed AM.
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Post by REB on Apr 2, 2023 14:09:47 GMT -6
Mowing number 4 complete. Our car was at lambert during the storm. They didn’t have hail. Got home and the sky lights are intact. Good news all around.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Apr 2, 2023 15:54:34 GMT -6
The SPC seems to think that capping may keep much of the warm sector convection free on Tuesday outside of the triple point...but this snippet kind of follows my thinking, that a few isolated to scattered supercells could erupt where the subtle forcing from that jetlet feature and some weak height falls/PVA overspread an unstable airmass across S/Central MO towards the MS river valley. That's a potential tinder box setup if storms can get going.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 2, 2023 16:15:01 GMT -6
The SPC seems to think that capping may keep much of the warm sector convection free on Tuesday outside of the triple point...but this snippet kind of follows my thinking, that a few isolated to scattered supercells could erupt where the subtle forcing from that jetlet feature and some weak height falls/PVA overspread an unstable airmass across S/Central MO towards the MS river valley. That's a potential tinder box setup if storms can get going. Check out the 18z 3km NAM as an example. It gets a few rogue supercells going in N MO that look nasty.
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Post by jmg378s on Apr 2, 2023 17:15:43 GMT -6
It looks like there might be a few different ways we could see severe storms on Tuesday. - Storms initiating in a pre-frontal trough through mid-MO with discrete supercells as seen in some models - Storms initiating along the dryline around the KS/MO border with discrete supercells though models are very stingy on this idea - Storms initiating along the front as it catches the dryline in the NE/KS/MO vicinity forming into a QLCS which might be the most likely but far from slam dunk
Capping followed by decreasing instability certainly looks to be a mitigating factor especially the farther east or south you go in MO. So it could be any combination of those or NONE.
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Post by bellevillewxguy on Apr 2, 2023 18:07:59 GMT -6
32 Souls have been lost so far by Friday into Saturday's storms. One of the most fatal outbreaks in several years. More coming Tuesday into Wednesday. This is going to be a long and possibly record breaking season especially with the atmosphere looking to reload over the next couple weeks into May.
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Post by jmg378s on Apr 2, 2023 21:26:38 GMT -6
Just one take of one model, but the 3kNAM generates supercells in central MO Tuesday afternoon which struggle and fizzle. Presumably because the cap out ahead of them actually gets stronger as the day goes on. The trough is too far back west and we actually get subtle height rises with forecast soundings showing the EML sinking and warming by nearly 4C.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 2, 2023 22:49:11 GMT -6
Ya, Tuesday is looking very conditional.
The environment is off the charts favorable for severe weather, but the CAP is very strong.
Classic powder keg setup.
Will or will it not light
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 2, 2023 23:24:16 GMT -6
SPC did upgrade Tuesday to a moderate risk
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Post by House Springs ~ DeerKiller ~ on Apr 3, 2023 3:11:08 GMT -6
Big storm with lots of lightning just to the south of me woke me up!
Looks like a few more forming in NW jeffco
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Post by showtime - Marissa on Apr 3, 2023 5:46:29 GMT -6
Thunder and lightning off and on for the last 5 hours
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Post by Snowman99 on Apr 3, 2023 6:17:28 GMT -6
Lol. That risk outlook is hilarious
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Post by Lovableweatherguy TROY,MO on Apr 3, 2023 6:35:58 GMT -6
Lol. That risk outlook is hilarious Nah, they need to take Union completely out of any risk. Then it would be. 🥳😄
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Apr 3, 2023 8:35:01 GMT -6
Neither the NAM or 3km NAM have any convection in the moderate risk area tomorrow
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