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Post by ajd446 on Jan 8, 2024 15:03:38 GMT -6
Rain and sleet in st.peters, but temps leveled off at 36
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Post by TK on Jan 8, 2024 15:20:18 GMT -6
Slight shift SE with advisories now as far as NW ARK
.SHORT TERM... (Through Late Tuesday Night) Issued at 300 PM CST Mon Jan 8 2024
Latest regional radar mosaic widespread precipitation surging north/northeast into parts of east central and northeast Missouri as well as west-central Illinois as of 2000 UTC. This area of precipitation is being forced by strong low-level warm/moist advection along with increasing mid/upper level support ahead of the approaching trough. Observations, including mPING, show more rain/snow and pure snow further southeast than was forecast initially this morning. In addition to wetbulb effects, it appears that the high precipitation rates (>0.10"/hr) are helping cool the surface via dynamic cooling. Latest SPC mesoanalysis continues to show a pocket of 4-6+ degrees of cooling at the surface over the past 3 hours heading toward parts of central Missouri. This is occurring well after saturation and even in the face of persistent southeasterly flow. Given the forecast for more snow further to the southeast, amounts across central and northeast Missouri as well as west-central Illinois have generally been raised by 1 to as much as 2". As a result, expanded the winter storm warning into Monroe and Ralls counties and expanded advisory southeast as well into Osage, Montgomery, Lincoln, Gasconade, and Warren counties in Missouri in addition to Greene and Jersey counties in Illinois. Exactly how far to the southeast the rain/snow line gets late this afternoon/early this evening is still a bit uncertain, but the best guess is near I- 44/I-55 in Missouri/Illinois. Within the St. Louis metro area, mostly rain is forecast for the city and metro east, with a brief (~2-3 hour) changeover to snow expected in western St. Charles county. There also probably will be some pings of sleet (more likely within the first 1-2 hours of precipitation) as dual polarization radar imagery shows high reflectivities near the St. Louis metro area with low correlation coefficient values. Given the high precipitation rates, there may be quite the gradient on the southeastern edge of the accumulating snowfall through this evening, with multiple inches and little/no accumulation only separated by a matter of 5-10 miles or so.
The highest snowfall rates for the entire event are forecast to be with the warm-air advection portion of the snowfall. The HREF from 1200 UTC this morning shows very high probabilities (60-90%) for >0.5"/hr, with 30-50% probabilities for >1.0"/hr. These probabilities are highest between roughly 2200 UTC late this afternoon and 0300 UTC this evening. These high snowfall rates will be falling during the evening rush hour in many areas (including Columbia/Jefferson City) and will make the commute hazardous for drivers.
The rain/snow line will surge northward tonight as the low-level cyclone approaches from the southwest. The vast majority of the area should be rain late tonight, with the exception of parts of northeast Missouri. The precipitation also should shut off for a time over much of the area as the dry slot works into the region. By 1200 UTC, the low-level cyclone should be approaching the Mississippi River, with the southeastern edge of the deformation zone entering northeast Missouri. Any rain should transition back to snow from west/northwest to east/southeast through the day on Tuesday as sufficiently cold air advects into the area. Snowfall rates look to be on the lighter side on Tuesday, with only a weak signal even for 0.25"/hr on the HREF. Lift within the TROWAL airstream is modest looking at isentropic charts also supporting the more modest snowfall rates. Light snow within the deformation zone should reach eastern Missouri just after midday and then begin to pull out of the area to the north and east by early evening.
In terms of snowfall totals, the highest totals (6-10") remain across parts of northeast Missouri and west-central Illinois. Totals gradually taper off as you go further southeast, with about 3-5" from an axis near KCOU>>KPPQ. For areas near the I-44/I-70 corridors in Missouri and Illinois respectively, generally less than 1" is expected, though areas just to the northwest may see up to an additional inch through this evening.
In addition to the light snow during the day on Tuesday, northwest wind speeds and gusts will really increase as the surface low moves into northern Illinois. While the strongest winds (sustained 20-30 mph, gusts 30-40+ mph) will be just after the snow ends. The winds will help reduce visibility before the snow concludes, and also cannot rule out some blowing and drifting overnight tonight in parts of northeast Missouri. However, given the wet nature of the snowfall, do not expect anything widespread.
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lunchladyd
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Post by lunchladyd on Jan 8, 2024 15:21:44 GMT -6
Pouring sleet and snow here in Silex.
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Post by Worldserieschampions (Chicago) on Jan 8, 2024 15:33:49 GMT -6
18z Icon has a blizzard for those north of 70 on Friday.
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 8, 2024 15:35:49 GMT -6
We're in the 5 day window so we can post snowfall maps. The 19Z NBM shows about 3" for the airport combined from storm #1 (today/tonight) and storm #2 (Friday/Saturday). Generally higher amounts to the northwest and lower amounts to the southeast are expected at this time.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 8, 2024 15:36:35 GMT -6
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 8, 2024 15:37:22 GMT -6
Friday looks fun for the metro points north
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 8, 2024 15:37:41 GMT -6
What is this "Grand Ensemble" that they speak of? Edit: It is the combined GEFS, GEPS, and EPS. See here.
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 8, 2024 15:39:36 GMT -6
Also good trends for friday overall because our current storm has settled south quite a bit today on the gfs.
Rap, also has a good thump of snow possible tonight in the metro
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bob
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Post by bob on Jan 8, 2024 15:41:28 GMT -6
WC IS icon north of st charles county for friday storm
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Post by The Commish- Lake St. Louis on Jan 8, 2024 15:43:50 GMT -6
Went from moderate rain at Highway K and 64 to moderate wet snow at Winghaven Boulevard temperature 34°
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bob
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Post by bob on Jan 8, 2024 15:49:30 GMT -6
Rain snow mix hwy k and mexico rd
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bob
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Post by bob on Jan 8, 2024 15:50:15 GMT -6
Hopefully Gfs holds firm tonight
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WeatherOrNot
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Post by WeatherOrNot on Jan 8, 2024 15:52:40 GMT -6
all snow now. 28*. NW Pike Co IL
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gonefishin - WashMO
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Washington, Franklin County, MO
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Snowfall Events: 2013-2014: A lot!
2014-2015: If you forecast it, it will come!
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Post by gonefishin - WashMO on Jan 8, 2024 15:55:34 GMT -6
Pouring hamsters in WashMO. Temp in the car was 33. Starting to show up in the yard. This could get interesting.
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 8, 2024 15:59:24 GMT -6
Gfs is still pretty for along and north of 70 friday, including St.charles County
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Post by birddog on Jan 8, 2024 16:00:40 GMT -6
Started with some big hamsters about 45 minutes ago 38° then switched to rain then rain snow. Now it's 34° and just rain. .04" so far.
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Post by cardsnweather on Jan 8, 2024 16:04:53 GMT -6
Rain
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 8, 2024 16:05:06 GMT -6
I still don't have much confidence in any significant winter weather with that storm on Friday...most models track the h85 low over us once again. Looks like another N MO special to me. Maybe it'll trend a bit south, but after what we've seen with the current storm...I'm not holding my breath.
I still think the system around the 15th is our best bet for widespread snowfall. But as Beaker pointed out, it's very possible that ends up suppressed. Wouldn't that be nice?!
Blah.
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 8, 2024 16:10:49 GMT -6
Alright who replaced BRTN with 99
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Post by goosetalk - Troy, MO on Jan 8, 2024 16:13:04 GMT -6
All or almost all snow in Troy Mo now
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steve
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Post by steve on Jan 8, 2024 16:13:06 GMT -6
Sleet N snow driving from O’Fallon to wentzville. Starting to stick
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 8, 2024 16:15:31 GMT -6
Alright who replaced BRTN with 99 The weather(or lacktherof) the past year or so has really taken a toll on my outlook on things. I'm pretty well over getting excited about potential weather and watching it fall apart.
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Post by WEAXWATCHER on Jan 8, 2024 16:17:24 GMT -6
Alright who replaced BRTN with 99 The weather(or lacktherof) the past year or so has really taken a toll on my outlook on things. I'm pretty well over getting excited about potential weather and watching it fall apart. HERE HERE
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Post by Snowstorm920 on Jan 8, 2024 16:20:01 GMT -6
Alright who replaced BRTN with 99 The weather(or lacktherof) the past year or so has really taken a toll on my outlook on things. I'm pretty well over getting excited about potential weather and watching it fall apart. I’m right there with you. Last year was about as bad as it can get for weather enthusiasts around here. The Friday system does catch my eye with the potential bombing nature of the cyclone and arctic air pouring in behind it.
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Post by maddogchief on Jan 8, 2024 16:20:49 GMT -6
Alright who replaced BRTN with 99 The weather(or lacktherof) the past year or so has really taken a toll on my outlook on things. I'm pretty well over getting excited about potential weather and watching it fall apart. I was wondering what my issue was…that is it!
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Post by ajd446 on Jan 8, 2024 16:22:02 GMT -6
In reality, we have had a better snow winter in the metro than last year. Lambers has had 3 inches just this winter, I think last year we saw 3 inches the entire year.
So really this beats last year, and we have some wound up cyclones which is nice.
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Post by SnowManJoe - Wentzville, MO on Jan 8, 2024 16:22:23 GMT -6
Snowing in Wentzville for the past half hour or so. Fat flake have a coating on the grass and slushy roads.
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Post by BRTNWXMAN on Jan 8, 2024 16:38:08 GMT -6
The weather(or lacktherof) the past year or so has really taken a toll on my outlook on things. I'm pretty well over getting excited about potential weather and watching it fall apart. I’m right there with you. Last year was about as bad as it can get for weather enthusiasts around here. The Friday system does catch my eye with the potential bombing nature of the cyclone and arctic air pouring in behind it. I do think there's some potential for a few inches of wind blown snow with the wrap around...models definitely bomb it out as it passes. Could be several hours of near-blizzard conditions along/N of 70. But the W to E track of the mid-level low is far from ideal...it's more of a Colorado Low vs. Panhandle which don't usually bode well for us. We'll see how it trends.
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Post by bdgwx on Jan 8, 2024 16:50:12 GMT -6
The 850 mb low shifted south on the 18Z GEFS. It goes right through Jefferson County. It's on the northern side of the GYB envelope, but it at least the GEFS is playing ball. The positive snow depth change product has improved as well.
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